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Ok, the more i saty on here the more options come up and the more I am undecited to go about backin up his data... Ill list it as I see it so far

External back up
Pros : if pc dies, virus, water falls on it or what ever the external if no thooked up is safe
Cons: more clustrer laying around, if not hooked up all the time the risk is too high for forgetting to do backups

Raid1
Pros: you always have a back up, you set it up and dont ever have to worry about it
Cons: you can still get a virus as it copies everything

NAS:
Pros: external backup set up to back up on schedule (am I right, thats what I understood) its there but its not cluster laying around the pc. in case pc crashes it stays safe. if someone steels pc you still have everything.
Cons: Cost ... what is your idea?

coud:
Pros: super safe, seems like a good choice for many (im not on that boat, i prefer having my data on me not in other peoples hands)
Cons: cost, company could get hacked/bankrupt etc...

so what Im guessing the best would be NAS (that is what you have I believe, am I right?) I will talk to pops and see what he thinks about it... Im also waiting to hear all of your guyses opinion... Thanks again for everyone input smile.gifsmile.gifsmile.gif

Here is my take:

Raid 1: Fastest backup. If one of his drives fail, he can just keep working. The hard drive will physically be in the tower.

NAS: Backup multiple times per day or just backup certain files. The benefit to this is you can set it up so that you can access files from any network attached device. The downfall is that it is more expensive. You would need to buy a NAS a hard drive and possibly a second one if you want redundancy on your NAS

Cloud: Subscription based for any amount that really matters. Honestly not worth the cost if you are only backing up one computer. It is usually in the tune of 20 dollars per month for 500gb or 1tb. It is just not cost effective outside of an enterprise solution.

As for the build, you would be safe with just about any ivy bridge i3/amd fx 63xx/83xx build. The AMD will use more power under load but they do idle a tiny bit lower powerwise. Speedwise I don't think he would notice the difference.

A SSD would be beneficial because it will make the operating system much more snappy. The downfall is cost, and depending on how much data he has, you may need to train him to save his files to a second drive. You could do a setup like this:

SSD: OS
2x Raid 1 hard drives

Just have him save to the raid 1 drives.

Ram: It really depends on his excel usage. For normal spreadsheets he would be more than fine with 4gb. If he is editing several hundred page long ones with lots of funcitons though, it could be a problem.

Also, A little suggestion, if you get a cheap amd card and do two cheap monitors it is really fantastic for productivity in a business build. Dual screens is really really useful for trying to multitask.
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Here is my take:

Raid 1: Fastest backup. If one of his drives fail, he can just keep working. The hard drive will physically be in the tower.

NAS: Backup multiple times per day or just backup certain files. The benefit to this is you can set it up so that you can access files from any network attached device. The downfall is that it is more expensive. You would need to buy a NAS a hard drive and possibly a second one if you want redundancy on your NAS

Cloud: Subscription based for any amount that really matters. Honestly not worth the cost if you are only backing up one computer. It is usually in the tune of 20 dollars per month for 500gb or 1tb. It is just not cost effective outside of an enterprise solution.

As for the build, you would be safe with just about any ivy bridge i3/amd fx 63xx/83xx build. The AMD will use more power under load but they do idle a tiny bit lower powerwise. Speedwise I don't think he would notice the difference.

A SSD would be beneficial because it will make the operating system much more snappy. The downfall is cost, and depending on how much data he has, you may need to train him to save his files to a second drive. You could do a setup like this:

SSD: OS
2x Raid 1 hard drives

Just have him save to the raid 1 drives.

Ram: It really depends on his excel usage. For normal spreadsheets he would be more than fine with 4gb. If he is editing several hundred page long ones with lots of funcitons though, it could be a problem.

Also, A little suggestion, if you get a cheap amd card and do two cheap monitors it is really fantastic for productivity in a business build. Dual screens is really really useful for trying to multitask.
You cant run a raid 1 with 1x drive if the other dies.... He would have to pull the old drive out and figure out which is bad so that you can swap it out. Hope you get it right because raid rebuilds take forever. EVEN IF you get a raid 1, you still need a backup solution. If everything is out of pocket, a good NAS is probably outta the question.

Chances are, with all the documents the company has, he isnt going to be over 100GB of data for work files (that is ALOT of spreadsheets and word documents)
 
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You cant run a raid 1 with 1x drive if the other dies.... He would have to pull the old drive out and figure out which is bad so that you can swap it out. Hope you get it right because raid rebuilds take forever. EVEN IF you get a raid 1, you still need a backup solution. If everything is out of pocket, a good NAS is probably outta the question.

Chances are, with all the documents the company has, he isnt going to be over 100GB of data for work files (that is ALOT of spreadsheets and word documents)
Ok good things to know, loving the imput... sometimes confusing, but Im learning new things smile.gifsmile.gifsmile.gif thanks guys....He already has 150gb of stuff on his old pc, so that will all get transferred to the new build.

I have little knowledge of NAS, could someone explain it to me a bit better?

I also have a new Idea... since my dad has his office in the apartment complex were we all live (4 generation home, grandmas, parents, me/wife, bros & sis, my daughter all under 1 roof... 8 appartments) my mom & sis run a bar and my wife and mom run a B&B and pops has his office. since its all in the same building and they all do their own accountability (except pops) could it be possible to set up NAS so that all the businesses can back up their files on a separate hd in the NAS?
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what is IDE? what would i need it for?

Well if the old CD drive is really a CD drive and not a DVD drive it will be IDE. even if it is a dvd drive there is still chance it is IDE, unless you looked already and know it's sata.
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You can save yourself a bit of money if you find out how much data he really needs backed up and use cloud storage for it instead of using a raid1. If a hard drive dies you have to go through the hassle of ordering a like drive and hoping you can restore it. Raid isn't meant for backups it is meant for redundancy and fast recovery time. Even if you are going with a raid 1 you still should consider offsite backup. IMHO if you are going to do cloud backup there is no need to run a raid. It's just going to increase your operating costs

only if they have good stable internet that doesn't not have restrictive cap.

EDIT: honestly slap an ssd in there and buy him a back up and make him back up daily. that's what we do where i work. the thing about an external THA YOU DO NOT LEAVE HOOKED UP, is that if there is ever lightning strike or act of god you are covered. also with raid 1s both drives can die at the same time, and they both usually have the same level of wear since they are going to be bought at the same time. an external drive that isn't hooked up isn't spinning and doesn't have the same level of wear, it also can't get zapped by lighting.

the raid 1 does offer a seamless back up if there is hardware defect in one of the drives/SSDs, that's about it.

So an external is cheap, simple, saves money. Also keep in mind your on OCN which isn't always the best place for business computing and commercial computing advice.

EDIT: I have raid 1 in an office pc with a failed/dissociated drive that works.

EDIT: in your case i see the NAS may not be a bad idea, you can set up the NAS so each has there own private storage space.
Edited by cdoublejj - 5/23/13 at 10:00pm
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Yea, you could get an NAS for the whole building. They would need to be on the same internal network for that to work. Meaning one 8 apartment network. 1 ISP for all units would be the best, but you could have a VPN (Virtual private network) setup between all the areas and use an NAS for that.

Also, the post above me must have been using a software raid1 configuration not a hardware configuration. I have never seen nor heard of a raid one being stable with one hard drive being dead that is a hardware configuration not a software enabled one.

To answer your question, a NAS (network attached storage) is basically one piece of hardware with combined RAID storage that has a network port(s) instead of using a USB connection. It is much faster to transfer data, and has its own I/O system to handle all of the traffic going in and out. ex: we have a NAS at work (two actually) that have 4x 2TB hard drives. we have them running a RAID10 which means out of that 8 TB of storage we have 4TB of storage that is backed up. (if you want to know the difference between raid setups, a good place is wiki)

Its basically an external hard drive with raid support. They are great, but not really cheap. But you can also host file sharing from it as well, and have permissions set up on them so the bar cant access your dads paperwork and vice versa. It also has active directory integration so that if you setup a domain with all the PCs on it, they would use their user assigned credentials to authenticate themselves. Not sure of the laws over there, but if that bar accepts any kind of plastic (credit cards) there are very specific laws about how this all would need to be setup and configured to avoid scams/robbery of all of the sensitive information.
 
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I was only suggesting Raid 1 because I thought initially he already had the 2 drives already purchased and was considering Raid 0 which is a big no no for important files.

that is true, best bet would be a big SSD boot + Files but do a daily backup on 1 separate HDD or SSD
Raid 1 is not necessary, Crap happens all the time

I personally use a USB stick for backup I can take it home or to work and they seem pretty safe and reliable. and if it does fail i send it back to manufacturer and they recover my files for me.

Cloud I personally don't like.

And as above mentioned about OCN not being the best place, Not necessarily true.. a lot of guys who build corporate and enterprise PC's are registered here on OCN.
although the average user will be more gaming oriented. Not trying to argue against hawkeye so don't take it the wrong way brother thumb.gif, Just stating there are some helpful people.. just gotta find em
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We just don't have infrastructure for cloud and it will probably be 5 years before things are notch or two better than they are now. I also back certain folders directories to a flash drive as well. also since i have 3 machines i back up/duplicate folders on each machine.
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Ok again thabks for input. I will talk to pops to see what he wants to do. Im guessing external hd since its cheaper but who knows he might go for nas.... anywaus once again you guys ROCKED!!! I love comming on ocn and getting soo much help again a big thanks to all. Of u ever come to switzerland drop by and Ill offer you a drink smile.gif our b&B CASABORGO LOCARNO
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We just don't have infrastructure for cloud and it will probably be 5 years before things are notch or two better than they are now. I also back certain folders directories to a flash drive as well. also since i have 3 machines i back up/duplicate folders on each machine.

Flash drives for backup has to be the worst possible solution ever. Cloud is the way to go. Our government just signed a contract with Amazon cloud to design and implement a multi data center cloud solution for them. Cloud is the way to go.
 
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