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Hey guys im kinda new here so i dont even know if this is the right place to ask this question ha ha . smile.gifsmile.gif
But im getting into some hard core gaming like ARMA 3 , BF3 and will be playing ROME 2 so my PC will be running for a decent amount of time during the summer . I recently decided to upgrade my i5 intel to a i7 and looking to purchase a GTX 670 FTW or GTX 670 FTW signature 2 (which has 2 fans) my first question is * do the dual fans help alot ?? i heard they harm more than they help because the second fan blows heat back to the card is this true ?? should i just stick to the one fan??** Secondly i will be planning to overclock my GTX 670 (which ever one i purchase ) because i read it can achieve the same amount of pulling force of a stock GTX 680 when overclocked im not sure how much overclocking is needed to achieve this. I also want to have my processor and graphics card for the next 2 years so i might be overclocking the processor as well but only slightly . So i want to know if i need additional cooling system or even a liquid cooler ??? I have a Cooler Master HAF 932 Advanced Full Tower Case

So to summarize because i know that was poorly written
1.which graphics card is better GTX 760 one fan or GTX 760 signature 2 with dual fans - i know performance wise they are the same card but does the 2 fan actually hurt by blowing back heat unto the card??
2 How much overclocking does a 670 GTX need to achieve a stock 680- (not keen to overclocking lingo so ( light medium or high) with some numbers would be awesome
3. To achieve longevity of my products i might overclock both CPU and GPU do i need to buy a additional fan ? or even a liquid cooler ??
post #2 of 30
1. It really depends. If you're running a single card in a well ventilated case then go with the Signature 2. If you're running two or more cards OR you're running a single card in a small case/case without much airflow then go with the 'reference' style card. Do you mean 760 or 670? Just wondering if it's a typo.
2. For a 670 to match a stock 680 (clocked at 1058MHz), the 670 needs to be clocked at roughly 1111MHz, that's just an estimate though.
3. The longevity of components is only really affected by very high temperatures (85+ degrees for long periods of time) or by extreme voltages (1.5V-1.55V+ on Ivy Bridge leads to degradation).
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Hey guys im kinda new here so i dont even know if this is the right place to ask this question ha ha . smile.gifsmile.gif
But im getting into some hard core gaming like ARMA 3 , BF3 and will be playing ROME 2 so my PC will be running for a decent amount of time during the summer . I recently decided to upgrade my i5 intel to a i7 and looking to purchase a GTX 670 FTW or GTX 670 FTW signature 2 (which has 2 fans) my first question is * do the dual fans help alot ?? i heard they harm more than they help because the second fan blows heat back to the card is this true ?? should i just stick to the one fan??** Secondly i will be planning to overclock my GTX 670 (which ever one i purchase ) because i read it can achieve the same amount of pulling force of a stock GTX 680 when overclocked im not sure how much overclocking is needed to achieve this. I also want to have my processor and graphics card for the next 2 years so i might be overclocking the processor as well but only slightly . So i want to know if i need additional cooling system or even a liquid cooler ??? I have a Cooler Master HAF 932 Advanced Full Tower Case

So to summarize because i know that was poorly written
1.which graphics card is better GTX 760 one fan or GTX 760 signature 2 with dual fans - i know performance wise they are the same card but does the 2 fan actually hurt by blowing back heat unto the card??
2 How much overclocking does a 670 GTX need to achieve a stock 680- (not keen to overclocking lingo so ( light medium or high) with some numbers would be awesome
3. To achieve longevity of my products i might overclock both CPU and GPU do i need to buy a additional fan ? or even a liquid cooler ??

Alright, let me see what I can tell you brother. The 670 FTW non Signature 2 edition has a higher default memory clock speed. Having that higher memory clock gives it faster stock performance. I have taken my personal 670 FTW up to 1300MHz core clock and 6600MHz memory clock easily. Beyond that I have run into crashing troubles. If you want a card that can be almost as good as a 680, the FTW without the Sig2 cooler is your guy. As long as you set up custom fan curves you can keep your temperatures below the throttle point of 70 deg Celsius. To achieve greater longevity on your CPU, you must purchase an after market cooler and there are so many options. You can pick out a closed loop water cooler, a big air heat-sink, whatever suits your fancy really. Let me know if you have any more questions!
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The difference between the one fan design and 2 fans design is not that big. The 1 fan or a blower fan push all the air out on the back where the 2 fans or the non reference cooler will spit out the hot ait in the case again. Though the 2 fans will both run cooler and quieter but will increase temps a bit to the rest of you components. But again the difference is not big just make sure your case is good ventilated with proper airflow.

You don't need to OC a GTX 670 (EVGA) cardmuch to get 680 results.

If you want to OC your CPU make sure you have good a good CPU cooler (I would stay away form CLC units and stick with air) Unless you want to go full custom loop.
    
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Thanks a lot for the advice i don't know the normal going size for a case so i will attach a pic below and ask if this is enough space . and i meant a GTX 670 and those numbers what type of overclocking with that be ?? Heavy medium or light ?? sorry if this a stupid question i just wanted to know if i would have to upgrade to a water cooler to deal with the heat it will cause .. and if i waited to over cool both my processor and my graphics card (to match a 680) would that warrant me getting a additional fan or a water cooler or the case fans are substantial enough ??



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I would say it was medium overclocking to get it to the clocks I mentioned. I didn't take all the time I could have, just did it quickly. This 670 overclocking guide is just about the best I have seen. I suppose if you would like to do a custom water loop you could loop your cpu and gpu together on one radiator. Otherwise, air is cheap a little bit hotter, but it gets the job done.
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Please upload the pics on the thread and add you rig to your signature please. Then it's much easier to help you.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1258253/how-to-put-your-rig-in-your-sig
    
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I have heard from my various research on the internet that cooling fans aren't necessary if your not going to be doing some major over-clocking ... so its fine to just get a additional fan and attach it into my pc then?? and if i do that would i still need to replace the stock cpu fan ?? Or the fact that im over clocking my means i need to get a good CPU fan dedicated to it alone(attached to it)... Thanks guys u have been such a big help and one more thing can you guys recommend some good fans for a reasonable price not cheap but reasonable .. THANKS AGAIN GUYS!
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You should have a good CPU fan/heatsink because stock heatsinks cannot handle overclocking very well.
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IF you are going to OC your CPU you can't use the intel stock cooler, not good enough What you want to look at is a aftermarket cooler, etc a Cooler master hyper212 EVO. Sure you want to add more fans to the case if the stock fans are bad or you just don't got enough airflow.
Some good fans for a decent price would be the Corsair AF and SP fans. But if you really want to find a good fan go to this: http://www.overclock.net/t/1321074/tator-tots-big-quiet-120mm-140mm-fan-round-up
He got some very good fans between the one he tested.
    
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