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Much more than 5% clock for clock considering the stock difference is around 10% and the 780 is clocked higher out of the box.
The reviewer OC results don't have much to do with the results you'll see OCN users getting. Same was true for the Titan reviews.

It's mostly due to time restraints and stupid decisions like using a stock fan profile. So yes it might be relevant to some random GPU buyer from tomshardware but not for someone who spends some of their time here talking about these cards.
Except that this has absolutely nothing to do with real world OCing results for anyone who has more than 5 minutes of their time to spend on getting that OC.

Please stop spreading fud and instead bench your 780 against the Titan's here to see what the actual results are.

You're spreading FUD, if you ask me... not the other way around. The reviewers experiences with Titan matched until the unlocked BIOS hit for the Titan, which is an aftermarket mod... obviously things will change at that point. I have no need to bench my 780 in some e-sport contest frankly when the reviews already tell me what I need to know here, just to satisfy some Titan owners' annoyance that the 780 has effectively matched the Titan at a much lower price a short time later. The reviews say it all.... I'll even make a prediction that, just as in the reviews, once the 780 has an unlocked BIOS as the Titan does, the same delta in average clocks will remain and the perf delta of virtually identical will remain as well. Burying your head in the sand doesn't make the facts go away.
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If that's a factor in a card being the best or not then what about the 650Ti Boost and 7850 that offer amazing price/perf?

You shouldn't really need to ask that... if you need a certain amount of literal performance instead of relative, then you need to buy higher. The 780 provides that.
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Much more than 5% clock for clock considering the stock difference is around 10% and the 780 is clocked higher out of the box.
The reviewer OC results don't have much to do with the results you'll see OCN users getting. Same was true for the Titan reviews.

It's mostly due to time restraints and stupid decisions like using a stock fan profile. So yes it might be relevant to some random GPU buyer from tomshardware but not for someone who spends some of their time here talking about these cards.
Except that this has absolutely nothing to do with real world OCing results for anyone who has more than 5 minutes of their time to spend on getting that OC.

Please stop spreading fud and instead bench your 780 against the Titan's here to see what the actual results are.

QFT. Its frankly silly to argue that a card with two less SMX and 300 less CUDA cores is some how just as fast. How does that even work exactly?
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You're spreading FUD, if you ask me... not the other way around. The reviewers experiences with Titan matched until the unlocked BIOS hit for the Titan, which is an aftermarket mod... obviously things will change at that point. I have no need to bench my 780 in some e-sport contest frankly when the reviews already tell me what I need to know here, just to satisfy some Titan owners' annoyance that the 780 has effectively matched the Titan at a much lower price a short time later. The reviews say it all.... I'll even make a prediction that, just as in the reviews, once the 780 has an unlocked BIOS as the Titan does, the same delta in average clocks will remain and the perf delta of virtually identical will remain as well. Burying your head in the sand doesn't make the facts go away.

I kind of agree here. There is no denying that the 780 is a hellauva card. Titan may be better, but only because of 6GB memoty (if you need it) and better compute which probably does not matter to 75% of the people who bought it.
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QFT. Its frankly silly to argue that a card with two less SMX and 300 less CUDA cores is some how just as fast. How does that even work exactly?

If those two less smx and those 300 less cuda cores let the 780 clock higher on average than the Titan, thst 8% will not be hard to overcome. I have tested and tested and my best results that are stable in everything is 1125/6500. That would only require a 780 to clock to roughly 1250+ to match my card.
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QFT. Its frankly silly to argue that a card with two less SMX and 300 less CUDA cores is some how just as fast. How does that even work exactly?

Just as a 7950 can match a 7970. What is so unbelievable?
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QFT. Its frankly silly to argue that a card with two less SMX and 300 less CUDA cores is some how just as fast. How does that even work exactly?

Better cooling, higher oc'ability, etc. Clearly the architecture isn't constrained by the cuda core count directly here. Even with the unlocked BIOS people tend to hit a wall of 1202mhz *MAX BOOST* on the Titan and often lower. We're already seeing reviews hitting 1250mhz+ boost with *no* bios mod even yet available, and performance matches for whatever reason you want to call it. Once we get a BIOS mod, we'll probably see an even bigger clock delta. (source for 1250mhz+ review http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/evga_geforce_gtx_780_sc_acx_review,26.html before anyone continues to try to wave their hands to dismiss it as fud).
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You're spreading FUD, if you ask me... not the other way around. I have no need to bench my 780 in some e-sport contest frankly when the reviews already tell me what I need to know here, just to satisfy some Titan owners' annoyance that the 780 has effectively matched the Titan at a much lower price a short time later. The reviews say it all.... I'll even make a prediction that, just as in the reviews, once the 780 has an unlocked BIOS as the Titan does, the same delta in average clocks will remain and the perf delta of virtually identical will remain as well. Burying your head in the sand doesn't make the facts go away.

Except that you're ignoring every single Titan owner here telling you how the OCing on the cards works. You're quoting a review and saying that it means an OC'd 780 matches a OC'd Titan while that is not the case.

What the review is actually saying is that an OC'd custom cooler 780 will match a stock bios, stock fan profile OC'd Titan.

You're failing to understand everything about OCing these cards from the power limits affecting the clocks, the fan profiles affecting the clocks, the temps affecting the clocks and so on. What you will see in real life usage is not what you are seeing in the reviews due to how we are overclocking these cards. If you still wish to OC like the reviewers do then please do, that will only make the gap bigger.

Titan owners here have gone through 900 pages and months of OCing discussion and we know how these cards work. What you're basically saying is that cards that have similar OC potential and have a stock difference of 10% will be equal when OC'd. You're not making any sense at all.
 
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Except that you're ignoring every single Titan owner here telling you how the OCing on the cards works. You're quoting a review and saying that it means an OC'd 780 matches a OC'd Titan while that is not the case.

What the review is actually saying is that an OC'd custom cooler 780 will match a stock bios, stock fan profile OC'd Titan.

You're failing to understand everything about OCing these cards from the power limits affecting the clocks, the fan profiles affecting the clocks, the temps affecting the clocks and so on. What you will see in real life usage is not what you are seeing in the reviews due to how we are overclocking these cards. If you still wish to OC like the reviewers do then please do, that will only make the gap bigger.

Titan owners here have gone through 900 pages and months of OCing discussion and we know how these cards work. What you're basically saying is that cards that have similar OC potential and have a stock difference of 10% will be equal when OC'd. You're not making any sense at all.

I know, I followed most of those discussions. Even with an aftermarket BIOS hack you get stuck at 1200mhz roughly and some throttling normally, while being louder and hotter than a 780. A 780 already in a "clueless reviewer's hands" as you keep saying, is already hitting 1254mhz with no BIOS hack yet available, which will certainly only help it OC even higher. So yes, OC to OC they do match from ALL available data in reviews, and soon enough it'll be the case in OCN enthusiasts' hands as well. Here's the 1254mhz review as a source: http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/evga_geforce_gtx_780_sc_acx_review,26.html The Titan just isn't a better product at this point in time, it's the same thing with more VRAM. That doesn't diminish the 780 & Titan being awesome, but advising people that the Titan is 10, 15% better is foolhardy.
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You're spreading FUD, if you ask me... not the other way around. The reviewers experiences with Titan matched until the unlocked BIOS hit for the Titan, which is an aftermarket mod... obviously things will change at that point. I have no need to bench my 780 in some e-sport contest frankly when the reviews already tell me what I need to know here, just to satisfy some Titan owners' annoyance that the 780 has effectively matched the Titan at a much lower price a short time later. The reviews say it all.... I'll even make a prediction that, just as in the reviews, once the 780 has an unlocked BIOS as the Titan does, the same delta in average clocks will remain and the perf delta of virtually identical will remain as well. Burying your head in the sand doesn't make the facts go away.

Tell you what, how about you set the fan profile up to 100% and then underclock the 780 down to match the Titan's clock. Tell me if you're still "within 5%" of a Titan. I bet you wont be. Clock for clock you'll see the Titan pull ahead by about 10%
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Tell you what, how about you set the fan profile up to 100% and then underclock the 780 down to match the Titan's clock. Tell me if you're still "within 5%" of a Titan. I bet you wont be. Clock for clock you'll see the Titan pull ahead by about 10%

Drop the price of Titan by $300 then this will be valid.
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