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Well you need hardmods to get over 1212mV but last time I checked at max I was getting 133% power (333W) And Cowie who had a volt modded card at around 1.3v hit 160% which is around 400W.

So a bit less than those for the 780.

Back up.

Bios flash can't push it over 1.212v? There's really no point in flashing the bios if you're not going to hard mod it then, right?
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Back up.

Bios flash can't push it over 1.212v? There's really no point in flashing the bios if you're not going to hard mod it then, right?

bios flash removes the power limit problem. With a stock bios you'll hit 106% and throttle because of it.
 
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QFT. Its frankly silly to argue that a card with two less SMX and 300 less CUDA cores is some how just as fast. How does that even work exactly?

You and I both know it's slightly more complicated than that when thermals and power delivery comes into the picture. If a 780 can clock higher because of the disabled SMX and runs cooler, then sure it'd perform better, if not on par to that of a Titan. Under water and LN2, the Titan should theoretically pull ahead by ~10%
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Back up.

Bios flash can't push it over 1.212v? There's really no point in flashing the bios if you're not going to hard mod it then, right?

Well...yes. But, the point is raising the throttle limits. The throttling is a big reason for low OCS. The 1.212 is high enough to push some to 1250+.
     
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bios flash removes the power limit problem. With a stock bios you'll hit 106% and throttle because of it.

Oh, 1.212v is above 106%?

EDIT: Wasn't 1.212 the maximum allowable voltage imposed by Nvidia? Shouldn't that be @ 106%?
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I think 95% of the people here dont need but want. No games out there worth upgrading for. Also its not like a upgrade will get you from unplayable to smooth expensive. All you will get its a bit higher settings. Once you have a game that you want o break away from 60 fps MAX out and current GPU cant do it then you look for a GPU that can.

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Oh, 1.212v is above 106%?

EDIT: Wasn't 1.212 the maximum allowable voltage imposed by Nvidia? Shouldn't that be @ 106%?

With 1212mV the highest power I've seen is 133%.

That's the entire point here, the stock bios is so restrictive power wise that it isn't letting the Titan pull ahead of the 780. They both have the same 106% power limit which is extremely limiting at 1212mV and high clocks. This in combination with the fan profiles is the reason why stock BIOS Titan's wont get much better results than similar 780s. Nvidia isn't allowing them to pull more than 265W. And that limit is the same for both cards.

But yeah Nvidia imposed the 106% limit to protect the cards. It's overly conservative and bad but they did nevertheless impose it.
 
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Yep, this fact sets all the coming arguments to have 0 value. That is why most people on the forum don't respond to it. d:

No, your statement is based on a fallacy. GK110 and GK104 are based on the same arch, they don't need different driver sets. 7970 and 7950 are also the only ones based on Tahiti. GTX 780 and Titan will naturally have driver updates to come, generally nVidia has an extensive software development (driver) team as opposed to AMD. It's what makes devs use CUDA vs OCL.
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I wish people could understand what I'm saying instead of putting words in my mouth. I never said that Titan was a better buy than the 780; in fact I said that I'd buy two 780's over two Titans if I was buying today. What I am saying is that the Titan is still the better ultimate performer and you will see that borne out over the next few weeks when 780 scores start showing up under Titan scores in the benchmarking section. I don't see any evidence whatsoever that the 780 clocks higher than the Titan (several people in the Titan club have gone over 1250MHz and 1215MHz is just above average) and the 780 would have to clock substantially higher to even EQUAL overclocked Titan performance. That is all I've been saying.
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With 1212mV the highest power I've seen is 133%.

That's the entire point here, the stock bios is so restrictive power wise that it isn't letting the Titan pull ahead of the 780. They both have the same 106% power limit which is extremely limiting at 1212mV and high clocks. This in combination with the fan profiles is the reason why stock BIOS Titan's wont get much better results than similar 780s. Nvidia isn't allowing them to pull more than 265W. And that limit is the same for both cards.

But yeah Nvidia imposed the 106% limit to protect the cards. It's overly conservative and bad but they did nevertheless impose it.

Ahh, okay that clears it up. Silly me. It slip my mind that as you clock it higher, even at the same voltage, the wattage draw increases.

On a different note, the EVGA 780 FTW and Classified will have their power target bumped up right out of the box.
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