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post #1261 of 2543
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Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post

I wish people could understand what I'm saying instead of putting words in my mouth. I never said that Titan was a better buy than the 780; in fact I said that I'd buy two 780's over two Titans if I was buying today. What I am saying is that the Titan is still the better ultimate performer and you will see that borne out over the next few weeks when 780 scores start showing up under Titan scores in the benchmarking section. I don't see any evidence whatsoever that the 780 clocks higher than the Titan (several people in the Titan club have gone over 1250MHz and 1215MHz is just above average) and the 780 would have to clock substantially higher to even EQUAL overclocked Titan performance. That is all I've been saying.

Welcome to my life. Almost every comment about nothing but perf gets a reply about price or value.

That or I get a review where both cards are only allowed to pull 265W and the Titan is kept above 80C half the time with stock fan profiles.
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Originally Posted by Syan48306 View Post

Ahh, okay that clears it up. Silly me. It slip my mind that as you clock it higher, even at the same voltage, the wattage draw increases.

On a different note, the EVGA 780 FTW and Classified will have their power target bumped up right out of the box.

You sure of this?

Not that it really matters since we already have higher power limits available but anyways.
 
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post #1262 of 2543
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No, your statement is based on a fallacy. GK110 and GK104 are based on the same arch, they don't need different driver sets. 7970 and 7950 are also the only ones based on Tahiti. GTX 780 and Titan will naturally have driver updates to come, generally nVidia has an extensive software development (driver) team as opposed to AMD. It's what makes devs use CUDA vs OCL.

Titan has been out for 3 months and 0 drivers have stated an improvement of it in a certain game. Meanwhile gtx 680 is receiving constant updates. Plus I highly doubt gtx 780/titan have the same performance boost as gtx 680 with each driver release.
post #1263 of 2543
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Originally Posted by Regent Square View Post

Titan has been out for 3 months and 0 drivers have stated an improvement of it in a certain game. Meanwhile gtx 680 is receiving constant updates. Plus I highly doubt gtx 780/titan have the same performance boost as gtx 680 with each driver release.

The card they list as getting improvements in new driver releases is just the one they used to test for the exact differences. Almost all the improvements are accross the board when it comes to cards from the same architecture.

So say in a driver release they have 10 games where perf improved with a 680. That means that it also improved with other cards but the 680 is just used to illustrate the difference.
 
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post #1264 of 2543
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With 1212mV the highest power I've seen is 133%.

That's the entire point here, the stock bios is so restrictive power wise that it isn't letting the Titan pull ahead of the 780. They both have the same 106% power limit which is extremely limiting at 1212mV and high clocks. This in combination with the fan profiles is the reason why stock BIOS Titan's wont get much better results than similar 780s. Nvidia isn't allowing them to pull more than 265W. And that limit is the same for both cards.

But yeah Nvidia imposed the 106% limit to protect the cards. It's overly conservative and bad but they did nevertheless impose it.

So Alatar, I fully realize I'm asking you to speculate but why not.
EVGA will soon release a "Classified" version of the 780. This card will appearantly have a larger than reference PCB and a stronger power plane - (beefier VRM's).
Given green lights power and voltage restrictions what do you think this could bring to the table?
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post #1265 of 2543
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The card they list as getting improvements in new driver releases is just the one they used to test for the exact differences. Almost all the improvements are accross the board when it comes to cards from the same architecture.

So say in a driver release they have 10 games where perf improved with a 680. That means that it also improved with other cards but the 680 is just used to illustrate the difference.

Everytime gtx 580 was receiving an update, gtx 570 did not benefit as much from it, at least a given performance increase number had not been archived.

* They better use gtx 780 as an example next time otherwise I smell another set of mad dudes.
post #1266 of 2543
Guys, Kepler is Kepler is Kepler. Driver updates will be generally the same for all Kepler cards...
post #1267 of 2543
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Originally Posted by LRRP View Post

So Alatar, I fully realize I'm asking you to speculate but why not.
EVGA will soon release a "Classified" version of the 780. This card will appearantly have a larger than reference PCB and a stronger power plane - (beefier VRM's).
Given green lights power and voltage restrictions what do you think this could bring to the table?

Nothing beyond better thermals and maybe 20MHz more due to cleaner power.

That is unless you're willing to hardmod and are using it on LN2 or something.

Nvidia is enforcing the voltage amount so there's nothing they can do really. It might have a higher power limit at stock but that's nothing that we as users can't fix on our cards.
 
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In what way do you think MSI and EVGA might make hard modding more easily accessible on their flagship OCing cards coming up considering Green Light's restraints? Any?
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This is like 4770k vs 3930k...

4770k has less core = less heat to produce and uses lower voltage but they can overclock 5ghz easily than 3930k

3930k has more cores but harder to OC higher unless you go water or LN2... but they pull ahead in multi-threads compute performances even at lower clocks.

So similar to GTX 780 vs GTX TITAN... TITAN has more compute power if use wisely on compute softwares.

GTX780 is simply a pure gaming card.



... me thinking I have a mini super computer right now at home.
 
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That is unless you're willing to hardmod and are using it on LN2 or something.

No LN2 here but have a real good custom H2O rig. What if I was willing to hard mod on that? Best case might be??????????????????
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