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And the 6970 it replaced was $350. wink.gif

580 was 40nm, 7970 was 28nm ( reminding you of the obvious )

You always bring up the 6970's price being $350 in every thread as though AMD has no right to ever charge any more than that for a high end card. The reason the 6970 was $350 is because it was competing with the 570 and not the 580 which was clearly superior. With the 7970 vs 680 they were pretty much equal so AMD had every right to charge as much for it...
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That super OC evga is just a Titan...incredible
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Waiting for a 275$ GTX680 to upgrade tongue.gif

this new price for the high end card are just horrible
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So you think if it still was 40nm (atho it wasn't possible) AMD would price it more than 550?

They probably would have priced it at $499, maybe even $550, but since AMD couldn't have done it on 40nm, and it took them a YEAR and whole new series of cards before they finally beat the 580... tongue.gif

Just like they can't dethrone Titan with their current offerings on 28nm, and it's going to take them a while before they do, which is really my point.

Being a realist here.
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Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post

You always bring up the 6970's price being $350 in every thread as though AMD has no right to ever charge any more than that for a high end card. The reason the 6970 was $350 is because it was competing with the 570 and not the 580 which was clearly superior. With the 7970 vs 680 they were pretty much equal so AMD had every right to charge as much for it...

Did I even remotely say that? Try to keep up.

AMD originally wanted to charge $450 - $500 for the 6970 since it was supposed to compete with the 480.

LEAD Technologies Inc. V1.01

AMD was forced to price it at $350 since it ended up competing with the 570 instead. The 580 held the $499 high end all by itself.

Again, it took AMD a whole new process node, and new architecture to dethrone the 580, and they priced it accordingly. I bring that up all the time, because people constantly talk about how AMD is always cheaper, and blah blah blah.

IF and when AMD can charge more for their products, they most certainly do, which is my point!

Proof.
Edited by 2010rig - 5/24/13 at 10:01pm
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I'm pretty sure you'll be fine, looking forward to your results. thumb.gif

Thanks bro smile.gif

But I don't overvolt, so my results won't be as high as everyone else. Hopefully my 920 @ 4.2Ghz will not bottleneck me that much.


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Did you end up selling the 580?

I want to but I'm not sure where to sell it. Kijiji or craigslist maybe. It's only a few months old too (RMAd my old one) great condition and runs 895Mhz on the core at stock volts.
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Thanks bro smile.gif

But I don't overvolt, so my results won't be as high as everyone else. Hopefully my 920 @ 4.2Ghz will not bottleneck me that much.
I want to but I'm not sure where to sell it. Kijiji or craigslist maybe. It's only a few months old too (RMAd my old one) great condition and runs 895Mhz on the core at stock volts.

I really don't think the 920 at 4.2 will bottleneck you.

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Can anyone explain GPU Boost 2.0 to me? I was able to avoid throttling last gen by getting Lightnings. If I set the target temperature to 90c can I expect to have overclocks without throttling?
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They probably would have priced it at $499, maybe even $550, but since AMD couldn't have done it on 40nm, and it took them a YEAR and whole new series of cards before they finally beat the 580... tongue.gif

Just like they can't dethrone Titan with their current offerings on 28nm, and it's going to take them a while before they do, which is really my point.

Being a realist here.

You seem to be forgetting that it took Nvidia nearly a year to dethrone the 7970 as the fastest video card on 28nm . Really it took longer if you don't count Titan which is more of a boutique product than a mainstream video card.
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Did I even remotely say that? Try to keep up.

AMD originally wanted to charge $450 - $500 for the 6970 since it was supposed to compete with the 480.

AMD was forced to price it at $350 since it ended up competing with the 570 instead. The 580 held the $499 high end all by itself.

Again, it took AMD a whole new process node, and new architecture to dethrone the 580, and they priced it accordingly. I bring that up all the time, because people constantly talk about how AMD is always cheaper, and blah blah blah.

IF and when AMD can charge more for their products, they most certainly do, which is my point!

Proof.

You certainly imply that AMD should've priced the 7970 at the 6970's $350 price all the time.

I've never once said that AMD is any kind of a charity group. They are a business whose sole purpose is to make money and anybody that thinks that they are more charitable than Nvidia is just a fanboy. My point is that if they build a card that deserves a higher price (7970 at the time) then they have every right to charge that. Some people on the other side, however, act like AMD is just this second rate video card company and that no matter how good a card they build they shouldn't be able to charge as much for it as Nvidia would...
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Can anyone explain GPU Boost 2.0 to me? I was able to avoid throttling last gen by getting Lightnings. If I set the target temperature to 90c can I expect to have overclocks without throttling?

Write up I did a while back:
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So basically the situation with the Titan is that instead of a normal stock clock you have the base clock which is very low at 837MHz. You will never see that though. Instead the card will automatically increase its frequency to around 980MHz and keep it there while also keeping a steady GPU temperature of 80C.

Now when it comes to overclocking there are two things you have to monitor or the card will throttle down its frequency. Those two things are temperature and power limit. You can set the temperature limit with a slider in EVGA PrecisionX. Goes all the way to 95C. If you cross the temperature you have set the card starts lowering its frequency.
The other thing, power limit, says how much power your card is using. At stock the setting is at 100% which equals 250W. You can manually increase the limit to 106% or 265W. If the card hits the power limit you've set it throttles down again. After the card has throttled down the frequencies will again ramp up as the power/temp limits aren't hitting their max anymore.

Now when it comes to increasing clocks the +200 etc. stuff is just what it sounds like. +200 means 200MHz more than your normal max frequency. So say you had a Titan that ran at 980MHz, +200 would bring it all the way up to 1180MHz at its max normal frequency. The card will also stay at that frequency unless some limit is reached (last paragraph). Same goes for memory, quite easy.

As for voltage, you can increase the voltage in EVGA precisionX as well, the max it's going to go at the moment is 1212mV.

Now here comes the interesting part. With the stock BIOS most titans will start throttling down their frequency before you reach your max overclocks. Usually this happens around the 1100MHz mark while many cards might still have another 100MHz of headroom left. This is mostly because the power limit is so low with the stock bios. 265W isn't enough to feed an overclocked titan. To combat this most Titan overclockers end up flashing their cards to a custom BIOS.

For example I use the following BIOS:

GK110XOC.zip 131k .zip file

Which gives me a max voltage of 1212mV, temp target of 78C, max fan speed of 85%, stock clocks at stock and a maximum power limit of 200% or 500W. The power target is now more than enough to account for any amount of power needed by the card and thus it will not downclock anymore unless you hit the temperature limit.

And that's basically it. After that you just need to figure out your maximum clocks at the voltage you want to use and you're about done.

BIOS flashing is quite easy as well and safe since it's easy to fix a bricked card.

Guide for the flashing goes as follows:
BIOS flashing guide and fixes for broken flashes (Click to show)
QUICK BIOS FLASHING GUIDE:

I will not take any responsibility for damages caused by flashing the BIOS. Use the guide and the BIOS files at your own risk, this will void your warranty.

What you need: GPU-Z, Nvflash

The following guide is for single GPUs. If you wish to flash multiple cards please do so one at a time or see the Nvflash readme for further instructions on how to use the commands to properly flash multiple card systems. Don't type in the bracket but type in the info in the brackets. The commands are case sensitive and you need to include the spaces, please be accurate.

  1. Backup your old BIOS (GPU-Z, BIOS version field, button on the right allows you to save the current bios). Keep the old bios in the event that something happens during the flash.
  2. Download the new BIOS you'll be flashing to, it should be a .rom file, otherwise the flash will not work.
  3. Browse to your Nvflash folder
  4. Transfer the new BIOS file into the Nvflash folder
  5. Close all unnecessary programs
  6. Shift + right-click the Nvflash folder
  7. choose the open in command line option
  8. Type in the command: Nvflash --protectoff (case sensitive, please be accurate)
  9. Type in the command: Nvflash -4 -5 -6 [yourbiosnamehere].rom
  10. If the flash is a cross vendor one you might have to type in y a couple of times when asked to
  11. Nvflash will work for a while and close the 2nd command prompt after finishing
  12. Reboot
  13. Your card should now be flashed, test with Precision X or afterburner to see if the BIOS is stable for you
  14. Some flashes might need driver reinstalls afterwards, don't be alarmed, just install the drivers as usual

If the flash goes wrong


  1. Shut down your system
  2. Take out the GPU
  3. Install a 2nd PCI-E GPU in the first slot (preferably Nvidia)
  4. Install the Titan to the 2nd PCI-E slot
  5. You should now have 2 cards in your system
  6. Plug in all the power connectors and other needed connectors
  7. Plug in your primary monitor cable to the card in the 1st slot (not Titan)
  8. Start up the computer
  9. Boot into windows
  10. Browse to the Nvflash folder
  11. Remove the earlier BIOS file and transfer your original BIOS (.rom file!) there
  12. Close all unnecessary programs
  13. Shift + right-click the Nvflash folder
  14. Choose the open in command line option
  15. Type in the command: Nvflash --protectoff
  16. At this point Nvflash will open up a new command prompt and display what cards you have in your system
  17. Select the card you wish to fix (usually done by typing in 0, 1, 2 etc.)
  18. The command prompt will close
  19. Type in the command: Nvflash -4 -5 -6 -i[yourcardsnumberhere] [yourbiosnamehere].rom
  20. If the flash is cross vendor you might have to type in y a couple of times when asked to
  21. Nvflash will now take a while to update the BIOS on the broken card
  22. After it's done shut down your computer
  23. remove the cards from the computer
  24. Put the fixed Titan in
  25. Boot to windows and see if everything is back to normal

It's for the Titan but the same stuff applies to the 780.
 
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You seem to be forgetting that it took Nvidia nearly a year to dethrone the 7970 as the fastest video card on 28nm . Really it took longer if you don't count Titan which is more of a boutique product than a mainstream video card.

You certainly imply that AMD should've priced the 7970 at the 6970's $350 price all the time.

I've never once said that AMD is any kind of a charity group. They are a business whose sole purpose is to make money and anybody that thinks that they are more charitable than Nvidia is just a fanboy. My point is that if they build a card that deserves a higher price (7970 at the time) then they have every right to charge that. Some people on the other side, however, act like AMD is just this second rate video card company and that no matter how good a card they build they shouldn't be able to charge as much for it as Nvidia would...

Then what I've been saying has been grossly misunderstood.

I don't think the 7970 should've launched for $350, just like AMD never wanted the 6970 to be $350 in the first place.

My whole point has been that 6970 was priced at $350 because it HAD to be due to its performance, not because that was the original plan. Remember, when the 6970 was launching, AMD thought it was coming in to compete against the 480. The 580 came out, and it led to 6970 delays, and was eventually priced accordingly.

I'm not addressing you when I bring up those points, but rather the people who go on and on about how AMD is the Price / Performance King, I'm here to remind them it's not out of choice that they play the Price / Performance card as often as they do.

I don't have many examples to choose from to illustrate my point, since AMD is often playing the Price / Performance card. Take that statement however you wish, but it's the reality. ( FX-57, 7970, 7990 are examples of when AMD charges more, when they can. After the 680 launched, it took a few weeks before the 7970 was at $450 )

When AMD CAN charge more for their products, they most certainly do. It's not just NVIDIA or Intel that does it.

Maybe I should be more clear, and not so cryptic sometimes. wink.gif
Edited by 2010rig - 5/24/13 at 10:25pm
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