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guys, just wondering about the upcoming EVGA classified (I'm not familiar with their classified products). so they feature custom PCB with some better components and they're expected to overclock better than cards with reference PCB? if the PCB layout is different from reference, how about the waterblocks if I, by chance, would like to put the cards under water? (no plan for water cooling in near future, but that might change after I get a bigger case).

lastly, (probably a stupid thing to ask in this forum where everyone go overkill)... is it worth the price difference? biggrin.gif
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a bit pointless unless you want to bench the cards on LN2.

For normal volt control all you need is this:


Sarcasm...
     
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Well you should know that sarcasm and the internet don't go well together tongue.gif
 
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How do you guys not read the thick sarcasm in my post...o well...
     
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Well you should know that sarcasm and the internet don't go well together tongue.gif

Lol very true
     
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That generation was messed up.

GTX480 April 12, 2010, GTX580 November 8, 2010. GTX580 was nothing more then a GTX480 with more cores. Only 7 months between the 2. HD 6970 in the other hand was the child of a failed marriage. GlobalFoundries failed 32nm so they where forced to make a weaker card. For Nvidia it was never a problem to make Huge dye GPU. GTX580 die was much bigger then HD 7970 hence the argument 40nm vs 28nm is not valid. Even now its the same thing with GTX Titan and GTX780.

If that generation was messed up, this one is even MORE messed up.

Notice in that gen, we got a refresh from NVIDIA in 7 months, this time around it's taken almost twice as long for the refresh to come out, why?

Back then, NVIDIA had some pressure from AMD, 480 wasn't exactly well received either. 580 vs 6970 was only a 15% difference, unlike the 25% 780, and 35% difference between Titan & 7970.

40nm vs 28nm is very valid, because AMD doesn't make big dies anymore. It took them a new process, and new architecture to beat out the 580, it took NVIDIA 3 months to match the 7970 with their Mid-Range GPU's on 28nm. We've had higher than average prices ever since.

28nm vs 28nm now, we have NVIDIA with 2 faster cards than AMD's fastest single GPU, which we paid $350 - $500 for last gen, and are now costing $650 - $1000 instead.

NVIDIA essentially doubled their asking price of their big dies in one generation for their GeForce line.

GTX 570 $350 --> GTX 780 $650
GTX 580 $500 --> Titan $1000

If anyone claims this is not how it works, and denies GK104 is NVIDIA's mid-range, you better do more research.

Just because NVIDIA slapped a 680 label on GK104, doesn't mean GK104 wasn't the direct replacement to GF104 and GF114, aka GTX 460 & 560.

What we're seeing and experiencing here is NVIDIA having an architecture AND die size advantage over AMD, and WE'RE PAYING FOR IT.

Of course, it also doesn't help that AMD got away from their yearly release cycle, to a 2 year release cycle.

I've been very adamant at the fact that lack of competition is what leads to higher prices, and now look. wink.gif
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How do you guys not read the thick sarcasm in my post...o well...

Coming from someone who uses a lot of sarcasm in his posts, it helps to add smiley faces such as this one rolleyes.gif
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If that generation was messed up, this one is even MORE messed up.

Notice in that gen, we got a refresh from NVIDIA in 7 months, this time around it's taken almost twice as long for the refresh to come out, why?

Back then, NVIDIA had some pressure from AMD, 480 wasn't exactly well received either. 580 vs 6970 was only a 15% difference, unlike the 25% 780, and 35% difference between Titan & 7970.

40nm vs 28nm is very valid, because AMD doesn't make big dies anymore. It took them a new process, and new architecture to beat out the 580, it took NVIDIA 3 months to match the 7970 with their Mid-Range GPU's on 28nm. We've had higher than average prices ever since.

28nm vs 28nm now, we have NVIDIA with 2 faster cards than AMD's fastest single GPU, which we paid $350 - $500 for last gen, and are now costing $650 - $1000 instead.

NVIDIA essentially doubled their asking price of their big dies in one generation for their GeForce line.

GTX 570 $350 --> GTX 780 $650
GTX 580 $500 --> Titan $1000

If anyone claims this is not how it works, and denies GK104 is NVIDIA's mid-range, you better do more research.

Just because NVIDIA slapped a 680 label on GK104, doesn't mean GK104 wasn't the direct replacement to GF104 and GF114, aka GTX 460 & 560.

What we're seeing and experiencing here is NVIDIA having an architecture AND die size advantage over AMD, and WE'RE PAYING FOR IT.

Of course, it also doesn't help that AMD got away from their yearly release cycle, to a 2 year release cycle.

I've been very adamant at the fact that lack of competition is what leads to higher prices, and now look. wink.gif
Coming from someone who uses a lot of sarcasm in his posts, it helps to add smiley faces such as this one rolleyes.gif

There is a price drop coming soon for 780. 600$-price.

You forgot to mention 0 driver support for titan(3months already in stock) and 780 with a 1st driver(release one) focusing on a 660ti. Meaning if this is a trend, we wont see gk 110 chip boosts in games, only gk 104.
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There is a price drop coming soon for 780. 600$-price.

You forgot to mention 0 driver support for titan(3months already in stock) and 780 with a 1st driver(release one) focusing on a 660ti. Meaning if this is a trend, we wont see gk 110 chip boosts in games, only gk 104.

1) where did you get this price drop idea? It makes no sense and there is no proof of one.

2) performance increases and support are pretty much architecture wide. Just because they tested the difference between drivers with a 660Ti doesn't mean that it was aimed at the 660Ti.
 
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1) where did you get this price drop idea? It makes no sense and there is no proof of one.

2) performance increases and support are pretty much architecture wide. Just because they tested the difference between drivers with a 660Ti doesn't mean that it was aimed at the 660Ti.

1)There will be soon enough, 6-8 weeks as Nvidia tried to charge the most for now. Manufactures will lower it down the line as it is out of reach for the majority. 50$ drop.

2) Being discussed for 2 pages, But 580/570 are an example.
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If that generation was messed up, this one is even MORE messed up.

Notice in that gen, we got a refresh from NVIDIA in 7 months, this time around it's taken almost twice as long for the refresh to come out, why?

Back then, NVIDIA had some pressure from AMD, 480 wasn't exactly well received either. 580 vs 6970 was only a 15% difference, unlike the 25% 780, and 35% difference between Titan & 7970.

40nm vs 28nm is very valid, because AMD doesn't make big dies anymore. It took them a new process, and new architecture to beat out the 580, it took NVIDIA 3 months to match the 7970 with their Mid-Range GPU's on 28nm. We've had higher than average prices ever since.

28nm vs 28nm now, we have NVIDIA with 2 faster cards than AMD's fastest single GPU, which we paid $350 - $500 for last gen, and are now costing $650 - $1000 instead.

NVIDIA essentially doubled their asking price of their big dies in one generation for their GeForce line.

GTX 570 $350 --> GTX 780 $650
GTX 580 $500 --> Titan $1000

If anyone claims this is not how it works, and denies GK104 is NVIDIA's mid-range, you better do more research.

Just because NVIDIA slapped a 680 label on GK104, doesn't mean GK104 wasn't the direct replacement to GF104 and GF114, aka GTX 460 & 560.

What we're seeing and experiencing here is NVIDIA having an architecture AND die size advantage over AMD, and WE'RE PAYING FOR IT.

Of course, it also doesn't help that AMD got away from their yearly release cycle, to a 2 year release cycle.

I've been very adamant at the fact that lack of competition is what leads to higher prices, and now look. wink.gif
Coming from someone who uses a lot of sarcasm in his posts, it helps to add smiley faces such as this one rolleyes.gif
it sucks that dumb consumers are going to reinforce this greedyness from nvidia

and before some really smart guy says "its a business they need to make a profit," they already make extreme profits
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