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Haha. I was just writing out the answer to these question and saw you had it done when I opened up a new tab to check what case he had (to determine cooler). smile.gif

Titan is still going to be faster when you match the clock speeds with the 780.... despite what some people are suggesting here rolleyes.gif

Yea Titan is faster but I can't afford one tongue.gif http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/evga_geforce_gtx_780_sc_acx_review,11.html It performs pretty good without an additional OC

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post #1832 of 2543
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Haha. I was just writing out the answer to these question and saw you had it done when I opened up a new tab to check what case he had (to determine cooler). smile.gif

Titan is still going to be faster when you match the clock speeds with the 780.... despite what some people are suggesting here rolleyes.gif

Sure, but clock-for-clock we're talking what, a mid-single-digit percentage? Given the nature of overclocking you could easily end up with a Titan that can't clock higher than a 780 would, or vice-versa, but they're essentially the same performance given average OC's. Some samples may exceed most Titans, some may end up a little slower. That's why I keep saying the Titan is pretty much a 6gb 780 at this point. If you compare the thing you CAN control, which is stock-to-stock, some 780 variants end up a little quicker and much quieter, but on this site most won't leave it that way. So we go back to oc-to-oc, which results in the cards performing so closely as to be an insignificant change, and thus the VRAM becomes the only difference for people on this site who are just benching/gaming. No one ever said if they were *matched* in clocks on core/memory that the Titan would be slower. What *was* said was that the 780 will probably OC a bit higher on average, and so far that seems to be the case, resulting in a performance gap that practically isn't there.

Check through the TPU & guru3d reviews at various games, and in almost every situation the difference is in the low single-digits FPS-wise. Check the 780 owners' thread and in comparisons that have been done, they follow the same trend oc-to-oc.

EDIT: Once you get into what you get for a given price point, well, 3 780's are going to trounce 2 titans except in high surround resolutions... for 120hz 2560x1440 or 5760x1080 surround, you'd gain a very significant performance advantage at the $2k price point. If you're going single-card, paying well over 50% more for only between 0-5% (heck, even if you want to call it 10% by splitting hairs on how you judge, the point is the same), you enter the realm of absolutely wasting your money for the prestige factor. It's not even a high-end card premium there. Oftentimes people will pay 20% more for 20-30% more performance, or even 30% more for 40% performance. Paying 50%+ for what's roughly a dead heat? Does not compute.
Edited by GoldenTiger - 5/27/13 at 8:20pm
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Wouldn't you see more difference in higher rez monitors or multi monitor setups...maybe not so much at 1920 x 1080 or less...?
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No, I'm really not: http://www.overclock.net/t/1393791/official-nvidia-gtx-780-owners-club/840_40#post_20057818 For new buyers, the titan is indeed a "780 Surround Edition" because of the higher VRAM. That post is a huge comparison from a titan & 780 owner with benchmarks and thoughts on noise/cooling/etc.

Throttling Titan with no memory OC on launch drivers versus a non throttling 780 with memory OC on current drivers?

This is some sort of proof?

Read this in there for example:
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Feel free to add another 3-4% onto each Titan score to account for the extra few-hundred mhz I might've been able to put on it.

Let's add that 4% to the scores and see what we get;

3dm11: Titan - 10.4% faster
3dm11 GPU score: Titan - 13.3% faster
metro: Titan - 9.8% faster
Heaven 3.0: Titan - 8.8% faster
heaven 4.0: Titan - 2.2% faster
Sleeping dogs: Titan - 2.1% faster

So launch drivers for the Titan and the 780 was much better when it came to throttling and somehow this is matching performance?

I dunno, I'm still open to benching my Titan against any 780 and proving that it doesn't match it.

E: also these are 1080p numbers aren't they?
 
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I love how GT continues to spread the fud about the 780 somehow being as fast as the Titan. My favorite one is where he compares superclocked 780's with stock clocked Titans and tries to pretend that that makes the 780 an equally fast card! lachen.gif You do realize they make factory overclocked Titans too don't you? Why not test against them? Oh and of course if its a bench like Valley where no 780 has come even close to the highest Titan scores well naturally that's just Unigine so who cares, right? Lol! Point is that whether you want to admit it or not Titan is indeed faster in every scenario and the numbers bear that out. Now whether or not the performance superiority is worth the exorbitant price is another story. I've already said that if I were buying cards today I'd definitely go for 780's personally...
post #1836 of 2543
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Thanks. May just use a spare 470 until VI arrives. smile.gif

sorry for off thread topic posting . maybe waiting till July - August might be worth it. thumb.gif

http://www.chiphell.com/thread-755237-1-1.html
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I love how GT continues to spread the fud about the 780 somehow being as fast as the Titan. My favorite one is where he compares superclocked 780's with stock clocked Titans and tries to pretend that that makes the 780 an equally fast card! lachen.gif You do realize they make factory overclocked Titans too don't you? Why not test against them? Oh and of course if its a bench like Valley where no 780 has come even close to the highest Titan scores well naturally that's just Unigine so who cares, right? Lol! Point is that whether you want to admit it or not Titan is indeed faster in every scenario and the numbers bear that out. Now whether or not the performance superiority is worth the exorbitant price is another story. I've already said that if I were buying cards today I'd definitely go for 780's personally...

Yup, no one is claiming that the perf increase is worth the premium objectively but to claim the 780 is as fast is insane.

Just look at dph314's points here:
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Well, it's true. I know where he's coming from though, and actually, I completely agree with him. Titan is the better card most of the time, unless you get a good 780 vs a bad Titan. But that's basically what I am saying. When it comes down to a few mhz, you really have to decide if that is worth the premium, like any other flagship product. So...I agree with everything Alatar has to say about it. I just don't think that that premium for the subjectively small performance increase is worth it, considering my financial situation.
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But Titan really is still the better card if you don't factor prices in.
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Not trying to argue the 780 is the better card though, as clearly it ends up losing (and again, this is one 1080p screen, and VRAM usage may increase substantially on higher res's).
 
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I love how GT continues to spread the fud about the 780 somehow being as fast as the Titan. My favorite one is where he compares superclocked 780's with stock clocked Titans and tries to pretend that that makes the 780 an equally fast card! lachen.gif You do realize they make factory overclocked Titans too don't you? Why not test against them? Oh and of course if its a bench like Valley where no 780 has come even close to the highest Titan scores well naturally that's just Unigine so who cares, right? Lol! Point is that whether you want to admit it or not Titan is indeed faster in every scenario and the numbers bear that out. Now whether or not the performance superiority is worth the exorbitant price is another story. I've already said that if I were buying cards today I'd definitely go for 780's personally...

It's the same situation as a 670 vs 680 and 7950 vs 7970. Both of the lower tier cards overclocked were faster than their big brothers but in the end you know how those situations turned out. Every bench on OCN, 680 and 7970 destroyed their little brothers.

Haven't seen any overclocked 780s that came close to my 3DMark score or Unigine scores.
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Let me put it this way. If somebody was going to give you a 780 or a Titan for free, which one would you take? That's the better card. biggrin.gif
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Let me put it this way. If somebody was going to give you a 780 or a Titan for free, which one would you take? That's the better card. biggrin.gif

780 because it will go nicely with the one I already have.

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