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But the 780s there are also golden with exotic cooling, so what's your point?

The lottery is still a lottery

Proof? We don't have enough sample data to say what an average 780 does, while we know what most Titans do. And of course there aren't many results yet, hardly anyone has theirs yet since it just came out.
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Proof? We don't have enough sample data to say what an average 780 does, while we know what most Titans do. And of course there aren't many results yet, hardly anyone has theirs yet since it just came out.

It's just common sense. Clock speed will help with the deficit of physical cores to a degree but it doesn't cure everything + you'll still have the issue of only being able to apply +37mv without a volt mod anyway. Logic dictates that clock for clock the Titan will still be a quicker card, the only time this doesn't apply is if you get a golden 780 and a real dud Titan rolleyes.gif
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Personally, I would go for the GTX 780. I've checked out the benches and the GTX 780 is within Titan/ dual GPU territory. Titan was a money grab. Plain and simple. The smart thing to do would be to buy the GTX 780 @ $650 and then use the remaining money to upgrade the rest of your build. Just can't understand people pay an extra $350 for an extra 10+ on average frames.
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Originally Posted by Kane2207 
It's just common sense. Clock speed will help with the deficit of physical cores to a degree but it doesn't cure everything + you'll still have the issue of only being able to apply +37mv without a volt mod anyway. Logic dictates that clock for clock the Titan will still be a quicker card, the only time this doesn't apply is if you get a golden 780 and a real dud Titan rolleyes.gif

Common sense? We don't know if most 780 cards oc higher than Titans, not sure how you can say that this early as tho it is fact. By the way there is no mention of anything other than stock cooling by the people who submitted their 780 scores so far, so no, it isn't exotic cooling and with the acx isn't even loud. Most Titans hit 1150 to 1175, with some managing 1200 and extremely rarely past that. The few 780 results so far have been 1200+, even a reviewer got 1250. We will see the average with time and I am sure the minute, barely perceptible gap will remain if any.

Did you read this post? http://www.overclock.net/t/1393783/various-gtx-780-reviews/1880_40#post_20060984
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Let me put it this way. If somebody was going to give you a 780 or a Titan for free, which one would you take? That's the better card. biggrin.gif
The titan cause it cost more, but then I would sell it and get tge 780 because I only ave one monitor biggrin.gif
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Common sense? We don't know if most 780 cards oc higher than Titans, not sure how you can say that this early as tho it is fact. By the way there is no mention of anything other than stock cooling by the people who submitted their 780 scores so far, so no, it isn't exotic cooling and with the acx isn't even loud. Most Titans hit 1150 to 1175, with some managing 1200 and extremely rarely past that. The few 780 results so far have been 1200+, even a reviewer got 1250. We will see the average with time and I am sure the minute, barely perceptible gap will remain if any.

Did you read this post? http://www.overclock.net/t/1393783/various-gtx-780-reviews/1880_40#post_20060984

I don't even know what the argument is about anymore if I'm honest, and yes, I did read that post. What are you trying to get at exactly? That the 780 is better price/performance? I agree wholly. Is it faster than the Titan, No, it's not. If I was looking for a solution today, I'd probably go out and get a couple of 780s, but as I went shopping in February, I'll pick up a second Titan instead when I need it thumb.gif
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Or maybe it has something to do with the Titan being out for 3 months and the 780 for a week.

But obviously the Titan is the better card - I don't think anyone is disputing that.

GT has spent the last week attempting to do just that... rolleyes.gif
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I don't even know what the argument is about anymore if I'm honest, and yes, I did read that post. What are you trying to get at exactly? That the 780 is better price/performance? I agree wholly. Is it faster than the Titan, No, it's not. If I was looking for a solution today, I'd probably go out and get a couple of 780s, but as I went shopping in February, I'll pick up a second Titan instead when I need it thumb.gif

He's saying that there's not enough evidence to really say anything ATM...Which, IMO is grasping at straws but, also makes a valid point.

The actual hardware missing from the 780 is realistically, negligible. -- In previous runs, they've stripped far more from other cards...

They even have 6gb samples floating around -- Why? Again, it's all about $$$$ these days -- Not the customer.

Will a 780 surpass the Titan? I don't think so...Come close enough that it's negligible? Well, they're already there...Really.

Picking up a 2nd Titan would, realistically, only net you a 10% difference under 2 780's and for the same price-point, you could pick up a 3rd 780 and surpass SLI'd Titans by a longshot...Especially if you're paying retail.

Ultimately, he does have a point. 3x780s = 2x Titans in retail value only, the 780's will out-perform the Titans by @ 50%...Real world scaling...

The only realistic advantage to the Titan and the market it was actually aimed at, very few of you actually are apart of...Unless you're folding, the 780 was/is a better choice and it was actually foreshadowed in February this would happen by practically every vendor that already had 780 samples...
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He's saying that there's not enough evidence to really say anything ATM...Which, IMO is grasping at straws but, also makes a valid point.

The actual hardware missing from the 780 is realistically, negligible. -- In previous runs, they've stripped far more from other cards...

They even have 6gb samples floating around -- Why? Again, it's all about $$$$ these days -- Not the customer.

Will a 780 surpass the Titan? I don't think so...Come close enough that it's negligible? Well, they're already there...Really.

Picking up a 2nd Titan would, realistically, only net you a 10% difference under 2 780's and for the same price-point, you could pick up a 3rd 780 and surpass SLI'd Titans by a longshot...Especially if you're paying retail.

Ultimately, he does have a point. 3x780s = 2x Titans in retail value only, the 780's will out-perform the Titans by @ 50%...Real world scaling...

The only realistic advantage to the Titan and the market it was actually aimed at, very few of you actually are apart of...Unless you're folding, the 780 was/is a better choice and it was actually foreshadowed in February this would happen by practically every vendor that already had 780 samples...

Except I only have 2 x PCIe lanes available, so unless I wanted to go and buy another motherboard (and probably upgrade my PSU too), 2 cards is definitely a better option. This is also ignoring that 3 way scaling inherently has more issues that 2 way.

Plus, just personal preference here, after owning two 570s and two 470s, I told myself I would go top tier this time, regardless. Whichever way you slice it, the 780 is always playing second fiddle there biggrin.gif
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Except I only have 2 x PCIe lanes available, so unless I wanted to go and buy another motherboard (and probably upgrade my PSU too), 2 cards is definitely a better option. This is also ignoring that 3 way scaling inherently has more issues that 2 way.

Plus, just personal preference here, after owning two 570s and two 470s, I told myself I would go top tier this time, regardless. Whichever way you slice it, the 780 is always playing second fiddle there biggrin.gif

Ultimately, you're limited by what you have, I'm just saying that his point is actually valid.

Realistically, every vendor that had a sample of the 780 in February, also had the Titan. Ultimately, the Titan was launched to a different market really then anyone had anticipated. That's not a bad thing but, the market where the card really excels at is not the gaming market. Again, Nvidia proving that $$$$ > customer.

3 way scaling does have issues which is why I said it would only be a 50% gain over 2 Titans which, I've tested and confirmed, myself.

Over time that will decay, however...And you'll get back to the 70/80% the 600-series had in the 3rd slot.

Ultimately if you had the OPTION to get 3x 780's for gaming, you should over 2x Titans because once again, it's a 50%ish performance gain at the same price...If you don't, 2x Titans would suit you but, ultimately, that's your decision to make and not mine.
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