Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric
But Golden Tiger is getting a 780 ACX so its definitely better, cooler, quieter, and faster in every way than anything else...
Do you have anything to talk about other than rude remarks saying I'm conceited?
Originally Posted by Alatar
There are factory OC 780s that beat stock Titans.
When someone from OCN OC's both the Titan will outperform the 780 unless the guy got a crappy Titan and a golden 780. And even then it's very much debatable.
The biggest problem is that both cards are limited to 265W for overclocking reviews and 250W for stock ones. The 780 draws less and comes closer in reviews and even beats the Titan due to this.
However it doesn't matter for us. The most I've pulled with my Titan is around 330W. So there's zero reason for me to care about a review that doesn't represent my usage scenario.
Originally Posted by Alatar
*reads unread posts*
TDP limited benches and reviews
Comparing driver tweaked scores to non driver tweaked scores (mrtooshort's 83fps is a non tweaked score, wholeeo's 78 is tweaked)
Claiming I think valley is the end all be all of benches when actually the opposite is true if you read my posts, hell it's only 1080p
"best titan score doesn't count but the best 780 score does!"
I don't even know...
Benches wise this is the same as the 670 - 680 situation. Every now and then you'd see a 670 close to the top among the 680s but getting those cards is rare, they would compare to average 680s. And even then the 680 would always win every bench.
Sigh, yet again you take things out of context and misquote what the reasons behind them being said were...
Overclockers.com wasn't TDP-limited benching and reviewing.
I'm not getting into the giant debate you had in the valley thread, I take the scores at face value.
I mention Valley because you brought it up several times as did others.
"best titan score doesn't count vs. 780 one counting" if you read my posts, I explained that already. There is ONE... literally ONE... Titan with three months of people buying them and posting scores (out of probably hundreds of owners reading that thread), that has gone above 83fps, while it's been a couple of days with probably 10 results or less from 780 cards, and they're already reaching into spitting distance from the best Titans. Thus you can easily conclude the 87fps result is beyond just being a high score but actually an anomaly, not a "golden card" even.
Again, no one said the Titan is slower outright, but the performance difference is just this side of nil. We're talking low single-digit percentages here oc-to-oc (which on this site is what matters to most people), and stock-to-stock the 780 models available do indeed beat the Titan ones available as far as what you can buy out of the box, which is the only scenario I've said the 780 wins at directly.
Re: Golden 780 vs. "bad" Titan... we have seen I think one 780 that someone said here on the forums couldn't go past 1200mhz, while the others all are at 1220-1240 here and in reviews. Most Titans can't go past around 1150-1180, barring the occasional gold one that hits 1202 or 10mhz higher. With the current data the 780 appears to have an oc'ing clockspeed advantage, but as I keep saying, it's too early to say outright that the 780 will generally clock higher, however it does appear that will be the case with several professional reviews hitting 1230-1254 and all but one of the forum mentions I've seen hitting 1200+. So, it's hardly a case of "golden 780" vs. a so-called "bad Titan".
Originally Posted by Blameless
That's not the argument.
There is utterly no doubt that the 780 offers better price/performance, but 19 times out of 20, a Titan will be faster than a 780 because the Titan can almost always clock similarly and will always be faster at equivalent clocks.
It is indeed the argument I have been talking about this whole time. However, as I said above regarding performance... you really can't say anything confidently but the obvious (IPC is higher on Titan due to more hardware being enabled). Reviews and user results so far show the 780 clocks higher on average than the Titan, which negates the IPC advantage significantly and as I keep saying, brings it into the low-to-mid single digits in percentage as a difference. Again, though, we just don't have a large sample size yet since the card came out literally days ago over the course of a holiday weekend. We'll know more soon enough.Edited by GoldenTiger - 5/29/13 at 12:21am