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although I agree with GT's original oints, which have been distorted, misunderstood and lost in the mess at this point, I did pay more than $20 for those games. $35 to exact. biggrin.gif

That ain't to bad though for the GPU buyer. That's like a 7-10% discount depending if it is a 7950 or 7970.
     
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$31.77, I misremembered but basically the same thing... picture from my ebay history:

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Here's someone selling game keys with a $35 total for the same games on the forums: http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1760497
So total tally is $680 for the GTX780 and $430 for the HD7970GE (58% price difference) all things considered or $650 for the 780 and $400 for the 7970GE (62% price difference) for a 20% performance increase. Pretty steep premium man...

This is excluding the many 7970 non GE edition cards which that can be found under $400 and still come with the 4 free games... either way, the 7970 is a tremendous value. Heck if anything i'd urge people considering a 7970 to get a non GE as they OC way better on average.

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On average we found the GeForce GTX 780 to be 24% faster than the GTX 680 and 16% faster than the Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition when measuring frame rate performance. It was also just 14% slower than the GTX Titan and 29% slower than the GTX 690.


The frame time performance was a bit different as the GeForce GTX 780 was just 12% faster than the Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition, but still 24% faster than the GTX 680 and 10% slower than the GTX Titan. Those figures certainly make the GeForce GTX 780 look pretty powerful and these are the kind of gains we would normally expect from a next-generation product that is showcasing a brand new architecture.
Seems the HD7970 actually gets closer to 780 performance when you stop looking at raw FPS and look at the frametimes. Performance difference shrinks from 16% to just 12% lol. AMD beating Nvidia at their own game hahaha, can't wait for those June drivers to put CFX back on the map thumb.gif

http://www.techspot.com/review/675-nvidia-geforce-gtx-780/page7.html
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Again, I have *NEVER SAID THAT* in regards to raw performance Why do you keep acting like I or anyone else has?
Isn't the ACX SC alot better though?
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According to the TPU review the Titan is 9% faster than the 780 and the 780 boosts around 3.5% higher. And that's a conservative review when it comes to the difference, as I said I calculated the difference in the anandtech review and it was more along the lines of 13% difference at stock.

1600p numbers of course. This is why the "low single digit" difference stuff you keep throwing around makes no sense. It's not based in reality.

And about that 780 matching Titan, maybe I was talking about these?
^ has nothing to do with reality, benches are giving around a 10% difference and obviously the 780 doesn't match titans OC'd.
^ reply to someone calling out the claim
^no need to explain
^a minimum of 5% is now margin of error?
^In reply to someone saying their Titan is faster than a 780 when both are OC'd
^no explanation needed
^even ess of an explanation needed
^again no explanation needed.

And that's the first two pages of your post history in this thread. No post was shortened or anything, some parts I bolded for longer posts.

After all this time we've yet to see a review where the 780 comes within 5% on average (which is what the other half of your posts said) of the Titan assuming both cards are reference. Or a benchmark of properly OC'd cards where the difference wouldn't be much closer to 10% than 5%. And the benches we've seen on OCN are 1080p. Fastest Titan vs. fastest 780 on valley, over 10%, 2nd fastest Titan vs. fastest 780, nearly 9%

Please do not say I've misquoted you since I obviously haven't.

And more importantly: Please show us these 5% numbers and where you're pulling them from.

Taking quotes out of context produces wonderful things, as you just discovered. I have already shown them on the Valley chart, and linked reviews. You keep going on and on about how it has to fit your exact definition of "properly OC'd cards", and ignore the fact that there aren't many 780 results yet because they just came out. And yes, I maintain that 5% is negligible, it's the difference between 57 and 60. I don't think anyone alive could consistently guess the difference in double-blind testing.
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post #2165 of 2543
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Isn't the ACX SC alot better though?

Better than what? A stock clocked vanilla Titan with a 300MHz disadvantage? Sure. What's the point though, any 780 is a better value...
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Taking quotes out of context produces wonderful things, as you just discovered. I have already shown them on the Valley chart, and linked reviews. You keep going on and on about how it has to fit your exact definition of "properly OC'd cards", and ignore the fact that there aren't many 780 results yet because they just came out. And yes, I maintain that 5% is negligible, it's the difference between 57 and 60. I don't think anyone alive could consistently guess the difference in double-blind testing.

Well its only the difference of being able to match your monitor's refresh rate and.... not.
Edited by Majin SSJ Eric - 5/29/13 at 10:01am
post #2166 of 2543
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Originally Posted by GoldenTiger View Post

Taking quotes out of context produces wonderful things, as you just discovered. I have already shown them on the Valley chart, and linked reviews. You keep going on and on about how it has to fit your exact definition of "properly OC'd cards", and ignore the fact that there aren't many 780 results yet because they just came out. And yes, I maintain that 5% is negligible, it's the difference between 57 and 60. I don't think anyone alive could consistently guess the difference in double-blind testing.

No you've said that Titan's that get over 81fps don't count and then proceeded to use the best 780 score to compare to the Titan's that you deem to be appropriate. And then used that for the 5% nonsense.

And those quotes were hardly out of context. Some of them, especially the ACX one were completely individual posts and not replies to anything at all.

Again, show me the 5% review or an OC'd result where you don't disqualify some cards. Otherwise you're just living in the fantasy world you were talking about previously in this thread.
 
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So total tally is $680 for the GTX780 and $430 for the HD7970GE (58% price difference) all things considered or $650 for the 780 and $400 for the 7970GE (62% price difference) for a 20% performance increase.

This is excluding the many 7970 non GE edition cards which that can be found under $400 and still come with the 4 free games... either way, the 7970 is a tremendous value. Heck if anything i'd urge people considering a 7970 to get a non GE as they OC way better on average.

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Seems the HD7970 actually gets closer to 780 performance when you stop looking at raw FPS and look at the frametimes. Performance difference shrinks from 16% to just 12% lol. AMD beating Nvidia at their own game hahaha, can't wait for those June drivers to put CFX back on the map thumb.gif

If you're going to take deal pricing into account, I paid $617 for my GTX 780 SC ACX shipped from newegg as did other people. I was using average selling prices to make the comparison. The point is still pretty much the same though, because when you go from the 7970 GE to the 780 you gain multiple times more than you gain going from the 780 to the Titan for similar pricing gaps in percent, and while ~20% is an appreciable difference 5% is basically this side of impossible to tell. On the opinion front, I would argue that you also gain value from going nVidia vs. AMD but that's treading into tangential territory and is really a matter of opinion more than, in most cases, fact. smile.gif

In regards to the second part, though I know it wasn't aimed for me smile.gif ... If AMD can get the drivers out with roughly the same performance still and have them work well, their cards will be extremely good deals and for people without a brand preference, arguably the far better buy.
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Stop this Titan vs 780 nonsense already doh.gif

my money on a 780!!
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If you're going to take deal pricing into account, I paid $617 for my GTX 780 SC ACX shipped from newegg as did other people. I was using average selling prices to make the comparison. The point is still pretty much the same though, because when you go from the 7970 GE to the 780 you gain multiple times more than you gain going from the 780 to the Titan for similar pricing gaps in percent, and while ~20% is an appreciable difference 5% is basically this side of impossible to tell. On the opinion front, I would argue that you also gain value from going nVidia vs. AMD but that's treading into tangential territory and is really a matter of opinion more than, in most cases, fact. smile.gif

In regards to the second part, though I know it wasn't aimed for me smile.gif ... If AMD can get the drivers out with roughly the same performance still and have them work well, their cards will be extremely good deals and for people without a brand preference, arguably the far better buy.

How did you get your card so cheap?
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No you've said that Titan's that get over 81fps don't count and then proceeded to use the best 780 score to compare to the Titan's that you deem to be appropriate. And then used that for the 5% nonsense.

And those quotes were hardly out of context. Some of them, especially the ACX one were completely individual posts and not replies to anything at all.

Again, show me the 5% review or an OC'd result where you don't disqualify some cards. Otherwise you're just living in the fantasy world you were talking about previously in this thread.

Sigh... do we really need to restate the exact same things that have already been said? I already have linked reviews, go read back in the thread. As far as disregarding the *single 87fps score* by one Titan ever in months of them being benched, yes, I regard that as an anomaly. You simply won't get one without some luck that would also win you the Powerball jackpot. The average of slots 3 through 11 on the Valley chart is 81fps, which is where that number came from. The 780 hardly has any results yet because it JUST came out days ago You are going in circles here and simply discarding the facts that don't suit your argument... so I'm going to have to honestly say this is pretty much pointless. If you make any actual new statements I will gladly talk about them with you, but... I've already responded to what you're still saying in-context previously.
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