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In my experience, 5000 series and later ATI/AMD cards tend to have much greater resale value than their equivalent NVIDIA counterpart.

Indeed I have AMD cards I bought new 3-4 years ago that will sell for 75% of their original price, and quickly. My NVIDIA cards from the same era have held less than half that value.

7970's are less than 75% of what they originally launched at last year. wink.gif

I don't see why anyone would pay $250 for a 6970, when you can get a 660, even a 7870 GHZ for example that are a MUCH better buy brand new.

There are a few 6970's in the marketplace that aren't moving at $200.

Even a 6970 Lightning isn't moving @ $200
http://www.overclock.net/t/1393701/fs-us-msi-amd-radeon-hd-6970-2gb-lightning/

On eBay a 6970 Lightning sold for $177, that's less than 50% from their $400 retail.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MSI-Radeon-HD-6970-Lightning-Graphics-Card-/200925394407?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item2ec81635e7

Check the latest sold listings, and see for yourself how much 6970's are selling for today.
http://www.ebay.com/csc/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=hd+6970&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc

I didn't go into thorough detail to figure out how much 5870's are selling for today, I stopped looking after I found 2 that sold for $100 & $103
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ATI-Radeon-HD-5870-1GB-GDDR5-/221231922745?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item3382733e39

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sapphire-Vapor-X-HD-5870-1GB-GDDR5-PCI-E-16X-/321127012585?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item4ac4a958e9

6870 $90 ( 50% ) - http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sapphire-Technology-AMD-Radeon-HD-6870-21179-00-40R-1-GB-GDDR5-SDRAM-PCI-/310635963153?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item485358a311
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Ok my video card is no longer being detected. I've tried different PCI-E ports. Did my card die?

Edit: ok its not my card. I opened my second 780 and plugged them both in and the one I thought died powered up. Now the other one won't get detected.. I have no idea whats going on
Edited by gl0ry - 5/29/13 at 11:58pm
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Links to the original articles?

If those are apples to apples comparison, they are wrong, plain and simple. There is utterly no way the same configuration, running the same games, at the same settings, could see such a significant difference in relative performance improvement..

actually those are spot on and show how long it took AMD to have sufficient driver support for their GPUs as stated in the article's conclusion:
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AMD overall had a rough start with the Radeon HD 7970/7950 and drivers at the beginning of 2012. Thankfully, AMD pulled itself up out of the rut and delivered official drivers and CrossFire support, months after hardware release. Then, a change occurred, monthly driver releases were stopping. Thankfully AMD kept up with the gaming by releasing Beta drivers on or before game launch, providing official driver support and CrossFire profiles. The AMD driver situation in the second half of 2012 was a much different and a better situation than 1H12.
bear in mind the 7950 was released AFTER the 7970 so it seemed to have a greater difference -whereas AMD simply didn't have any drivers ready . . .though i wonder what the logic was with benching far cry 3 with drivers that were 11 months old at the time it was released.
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In my experience, 5000 series and later ATI/AMD cards tend to have much greater resale value than their equivalent NVIDIA counterpart.

Indeed I have AMD cards I bought new 3-4 years ago that will sell for 75% of their original price, and quickly. My NVIDIA cards from the same era have held less than half that value.
Any driver that boosts 780 performance should boost Titan performance, in GPU limited scenarios, similarly.
Links to the original articles?

If those are apples to apples comparison, they are wrong, plain and simple. There is utterly no way the same configuration, running the same games, at the same settings, could see such a significant difference in relative performance improvement.
In the same system, with the same drivers, this is an impossible scenario.

A 7950 at stock clocks will never be faster than a 7970 at stock clocks, all other things being equal.
One Titan isn't a very large sample size.

780s do seem to achieve slightly better absolute clocks, but relative OCs seem very similar, and a Titan is faster at the same relative OC.
Ah, so that was the difference. Why where you trying to compare them directly? If that's not intentionally misleading, I don't know what is.

I have four 7950s, and zero 7970s, because the 7950s are significantly better deals. However, there is no way to deny that the 7970s are faster cards, or that they see the same improvements from driver revisions.
True, but I'd argue that Crossfire FPS scaling is utterly irrelevant as long as Crossfire remains broken.

Crossfire is, in many cases, virtually unusable.
They can't, unless they intentionally cripple performance on one device ID or the other.

That's exactly the opposite of what I experienced. I guess it also depends on when you buy your cards and which category cards you buy. I always bought the second tier cards 9800GTX+, GTX 260, HD 4890, HD 5850, GTX 470.

I can sell my 470 for more than a 5870, my GTX 260 was even valued higher by XFX vs my HD 5850 and on the market place got me more money and interest. CUDA is really a great resale factor. I expect that to somewhat diminish when OCL gets more popular but for nVidia cards there was always interest as PhysX, CUDA or folding card.

And when you'd sell a 9800GTX+ at this point, I'm pretty sure it'd sell for more than a 4850/4870. That's my experience though, even though I was half serious when I posted it.
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7970's are less than 75% of what they originally launched at last year. wink.gif

I would never pay launch price for a top tier card and rarely take such prices into consideration.

I paid 200 dollars for my reference 6950s 2.5 years ago. I could get 150-175 for them today, possibly more on fleabay.
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I can sell my 470 for more than a 5870

I would trade you a GTX 480 for a 5870, if any of my 480s still worked.
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CUDA is really a great resale factor.

Not as much as hashing performance, in my experience.

Anyone cracking passwords or mining scrypt based cryptos is looking for an higher-end AMD card from the last three generations.
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And when you'd sell a 9800GTX+ at this point, I'm pretty sure it'd sell for more than a 4850/4870.

I'm doubtful of this as well, since a 4870 is significantly faster than a 9800GTX and a 9800GTX generally isn't even a worthwhile PhysX card anymore.
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how long it took AMD to have sufficient driver support for their GPUs

Not remotely what I was talking about.
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Just saying what my experiences are, my AMD GPUs have always had lower value and interest vs my nVidia ones. I also had more defects on my AMD/ATi cards, though RMA'ing them wasn't too bad. The same is also true for Opterons vs Intel Xeons.

E:

You should ask Alatar. He has a vintage GPU fetish tongue.gif
Edited by TheBlademaster01 - 5/30/13 at 3:00am
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Maybe there is a more pronounced AMD/NVIDIA bias or preference in Europe?
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Almost all Nvidia cards I've bought used were more expensive than their AMD counterparts.

Somewhat annoying when you want to bin some 8800s and people are bidding way too high for the performance.
 
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Not even exclusively a EU phonomenon. XFX is not a European company. AMD boards, CPUs etc. also have lower reliability spec vs Intel at least (TJ Max). I know that's a factor for most buyers when buying 2P/4P systems, along with efficiency lately.

About cards, I have no clue, it may very well be bias but it is what I see and again not only in EU. I import from the US as well. Same can be said about Apple products, which would definately be bias or customer service. I just know I'd have less issues selling nVidia cards vs AMD ones.
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