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How are people buying it off from amazon when all of the cards are temporarily out of stock from the get go? Is there a secret someone would like to share? tongue.gif

Go newegg, plenty there. smile.gif
    
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this is a disappointed
they need to low the price
7870x2 $400 vs 780 $650
that is a big Difference in price

post #253 of 2543
Definitely waiting out for Maxwell+, congrats on your new card guys and I would wince a bit if I was a Titan owner at the price, however, nothing is beating the Titan for a while by my estimates (especially from nVidia).
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post #254 of 2543
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You could be like a lot of us and have dropped $1000 on Titans. tongue.gif

That has to make you feel better, lol.
You are talking a totally different galaxy of performance. If you have the money and like high frames then it would be a no-brainer.
It will perform absolutely beautifully in SLI or above. Even with Titan, Surround performance is not enough with a single card for someone who prefers what I would consider higher frames (80+). The 3GB buffer will not be a problem in the next 12 months for users who like high FPS. Even with 780/Titan, you still don't have enough power to turn up the VRAM eating settings and maintain FPS around 80-100 or more, so because of that you will not be using over 3 GB. If you are someone who likes big AA in favor of FPS (i.e. you are ok with 30-50 FPS), then you may be turning the settings up enough to surpass that 3GB buffer if you're running 3 or 4 cards. In that case Titan may be for you.

This is all speaking from experience on 5760x1080 with 2GB 670's, 4GB 680's, and now 6GB Titans. I thought once I got Titans I would turn the MSAA up and use beyond 3GB of VRAM, but I find even with these cards I prefer the FPS over the VRAM eating settings so I see about 2500 MB max usage in Crysis 3, Far Cry 3, and BF3. If you are thinking 7680x1600 then I can't speak to that.
It will be exactly the same. Just up the temp target and power target, then push the sliders as far as you can. Oh, and as others have pointed out, you might as well flash the bios before you even begin unless they have magically fixed the throttling issue. My Titans are completely different cards with a flashed bios. I have no problem gaming at 1176 steady in SLI where before they would throttle as low as 1050.
I doubt it. Now that these are out there isn't going to be anyone willing to buy a Titan for enough money for it to make sense for Titan owners to go through the trouble of selling off and buying new cards that in the end will be slower. Would it have been nice to wait and spend less on 3 780's rather than 2 Titans? Absolutely, but what's done is done. Live and learn I guess.
It is not the same. 3960X and 3930K are released in conjunction so users know at the time that they are blowing an extra $400 literally just for the sake of blowing $400 extra. You can clearly read reviews comparing them and see that the performance is virtually identical. If Intel had released the 3960X as the only available 6-core along side the 3820 and convinced consumers that it really was a CPU in a class of it's own (and going to stay in a class of its own) and worthy of $1000 only to drop the 3930K at $600 3 months later there would be a whole lot of people up in arms. We've not seen a case like this in tech hardware, ever. It's hilarious to me when people act like this is to be expected and just the normal early adopters/flagship tax. No, it's not. No hardware company has ever released a standalone product and marketed it as a piece of hardware worthy of it's own name, disassociation from previous products, and price tag that was exorbitant compared to anything seen before, only to drop something 5-8% slower 3 months down the road at a way, way lower price.

That said, what's done is done. It was my decision and nobody made it but me. I'm over it, but won't forget it.

A couple of random thoughts about the 780 ... I will be interested to see the experiences users have when they get them in their hands. I'm curious to see if they'll be able to overall clock higher than Titan, which I expect they will. I view it as no different than 670 to 680. 680 had more clusters, but the 670 could often clock higher due to less engines bringing the performance very very close, especially on models like the 670 FTW. I also expect there to be more headroom due to powering less shaders but having the same TDP. Although if it's anything like Titan in terms of throttling, anyone really looking to OC is going to flash the bios and bypass that TDP anyways.

I also find it very interesting that, unless I missed something, EVGA is only offering the Classified with it's ACX cooler. I'm sure the new cooler is nice, but I just saw a lot of 3 and 4-way 680 Classified setups and it's not surprising that many guys going for 3 and 4-way SLI would do so with the Classified cards. With the ACX, I would think it would make 3 and 4-way very difficult due to a lack of airflow in a sandwiched configuration. I just thought it was odd that they would do that.

To those who didn't jump on the Titan bandwagon (the non-idiots unlike myself), congratulations. Titan-like performance at $650 is amazing, and those of you running surround setups will really appreciate the bump in the memory subsystem. The smoothness that Titan offered over the 600 series was really just mind blowing to me, and I attribute a lot of that to higher memory bandwidth which I think was responsible for a lot of the stuttering or poor frame time variance that was sometimes seen in SLI. The 780 will be no different and should produce an incredible gaming experience. thumb.gif
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Can someone please give this gentleman an award for candor? A quality sorely missed in all the marketing hype. thumb.gif
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My problem with the ACX is that when you look at it from the side, the normal viewing angle when it's installed in the case, you can see straight through to the fins.

I just close my eyes and work by feel whenever I open my case. tongue.gif

I personally like that nothing juts out, there is no spaghetti junction of heat pipes, etc... Compared to my MSI 670 and Gigabyte 460 it has a much cleaner profile.
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A bit off topic, but do the 780s include metro LL codes or not, didn't see anything about it when I bought from Amazon.
No; per NVIDIA, the GTX 780 does not include any games.
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A bit off topic, but do the 780s include metro LL codes or not, didn't see anything about it when I bought from Amazon.

No, I asked EVGA specifically.

http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=1937221
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Like somebody else said in this thread, I wish some of the reviews would show Vram amounts used in surround gaming. My only worry with the 780's is getting really close to that 3GB limit, though 3 780's for the price of 2 Titan's sounds like a deal thumb.gif
post #259 of 2543
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Originally Posted by mltms View Post

this is a disappointed
they need to low the price
7870x2 $400 vs 780 $650
that is a big Difference in price


Two mid range cards beating a single higher end card for a lower price? I was unaware that this was an uncommon thing in the GPU industry. Actually I'm pretty sure this has been the case in every single generation in recent memory. Besides, the very following chart on techspot shows the 7870 CFX setup having frame times that would result in an experience matching 30fps....

How anyone can be disappointed by the 780 is beyond me, it's a nearly Titan perf card at $650. It just completely decimated the AMD offerings available.
 
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No, I asked EVGA specifically.

http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=1937221
The tech power up review says otherwise.

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