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Originally Posted by Regent Square View Post

GTX 680 was receiving constant mporments on a regular basis. What is in tact here is the most of 700 series are gk 104. Which might make Nvidia to prioritize gk 104 chip driver over gk 110. Meaning 78o will be carved at stone.

Or they were just waiting to optimize gk 110 all together, which is unlikely cause the most of consumers on a gk 104 chip...

Or maybe some of the driver improvements prior to the Titan already apply to the Titan/780. Clearly a different chip than the GK104 but I imagine there is substantial overlap when it comes to improvements in the drivers. It's not as though they are starting from scratch on the GK110 and there is a year's worth of improvements to catch up to where the GK104 is now.
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Welp, no need to be concerned about that then. Thanks for the infos. thumb.gif

 

Most people say the strangest things about compute because of the whole GK104 problem. Kepler doesn't have a "compute problem", it depends on what you use and what you compare it with. In fact, chances are that when you actually use the computational capabilities of your GPU, it's CUDA accelerated and uses FP32 not OCL + FP64.

 

If you want to run FP64 applications, you should probably also be concerned about alpha particles flipping bits in the cache of your GPU and therefor need ECC (also absolutely don't OC -- kind of moot to increase precision and decrease reliability at the same time no?), tailored drivers and functions like dynamic parallelism for optimization...

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Would've been interesting if Nvidia had allowed SLI between Titan and the 780...
Id give it some time though ... somebody out there will prob doit and release bioses and so forth to allow this... next week dropping money on a new one and going to start the rig FINALLY
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Originally Posted by Regent Square View Post

GTX 680 was receiving constant improvements on a regular basis. What is in tact here is the most of 700 series are gk 104. Which might make Nvidia to prioritize gk 104 chip driver over gk 110. Meaning 78o will be carved at stone.

Or they were just waiting to optimize gk 110 all together, which is unlikely cause the most of consumers on a gk 104 chip...

You have to realize that the 6xx/7xx is the same architecture. This means the vast majority of improvements to be squeezed out has already happened. Yes titan/780 are different dies but they have the same essential building blocks as a 680.

You will see marginal improvements as with every normal driver release, but as i said, I wouldn't hold my breath for some huge, all encompassing update.
     
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Refreshes are never meant as upgrades to first gen cards.

The GTX 780 is meant as an upgrade for GTX 580 buyers, not anyone that already has a GTX 680. thumb.gif

The 780 isn't a refresh, it is using a slightly trimmed back GK110. The 770 and lower will be a refresh of what we currently have with GK104
    
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Or maybe some of the driver improvements prior to the Titan already apply to the Titan/780. Clearly a different chip than the GK104 but I imagine there is substantial overlap when it comes to improvements in the drivers. It's not as though they are starting from scratch on the GK110 and there is a year's worth of improvements to catch up to where the GK104 is now.

They are not starting from a scretch nor they are done with gk 110 driver. What I am saying is Nvidia might not choose to support gk 110 cause of the low consumer base that owns it. Which if true, makes 780 completely worthless...


* I am aware 600/700 are on the same architecture.
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Most people say the strangest things about compute because of the whole GK104 problem. Kepler doesn't have a "compute problem", it depends on what you use and what you compare it with. In fact, chances are that when you actually use the computational capabilities of your GPU, it's CUDA accelerated and uses FP32 not OCL + FP64.

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That's the biggest misunderstanding to me. Teslas and fire pros cost so much because you are looking for 100% accurate data processing. The amount of errors our GPUs spit out, let alone over clocked, that we never realize is quite astonishing.
     
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at 650$ it's just not right.. I know it's 10%-15% less power than a titan for 350$ less. but 650 is too much for a card. and i remember that many people were excited when it was for 500Euros and i said it will be 650$ it's just how Nvidia does things.. They are stubborn and they stick to High Price products. but 650$... i'm 100% sure that if the prototype drivers worked.. the 780 won't be the best p/p

Totally seconded that..
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They are not starting from a scretch nor they are done with gk 110 driver. What I am saying is Nvidia might not choose to support gk 110 cause of the low consumer base that owns it. Which if true, makes 780 completely worthless...

I wouldn't say that because there isn't big improvements done with the 780/titan through drivers means they won't focus or support them.

Sure, they will use more resources on the lower, more popular cards. But, it could also be a case as I said before, the performance is already rung out of these cards to a high extent. You will see improvements over time, just nothing substantial.
     
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Well if you're looking into getting any $1K GPU solution these cards make a great case for themselves.
Because these cards are only 8% slower than Titans...

titan will run away on surround 1600p.
    
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