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Originally Posted by svenge View Post

They're still far behind NVIDIA in market share, by almost a 2-to-1 ratio. To wit:
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GPU market share (Source: Jon Peddie Research)

BRAND   Q1'12 Q2'12 Q3'12 Q4'12
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AMD     37.8% 40.3% 35.7% 34.3%
NVIDIA  61.9% 59.3% 64.0% 65.7%

Also of note is that the GTX 670 sold 10% more than the Radeon 7950 and 7970 combined (source: Steam Hardware Survey).

Imagine how much worse the market share would've been if AMD hadn't resorted to those "Never Settle" bundles. Of course those bundles are absolutely killing AMD's margins, but that's a different discussion that I don't have sufficient data to fully outline...
Mostly due to almost every laptop having a Nvidia gpu creating brand loyalty once someone goes desktop.
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Originally Posted by nature1ders View Post

I'm a little lost here, according to this GTX 780 System Requirements 600 watt or greater power supply with a minimum of 42 amps on the +12 volt rail. I have a FSP Group AURUM GOLD 750W and this tells me it has:

Hybrid Synergy 12V Rail Design Hybrid Synergy design on four 12v rails with max loads (up to 18A on each rail, max 720W of combined power) pledges compatibility to graphics cards and superb system stability.

Is that enough to run this card?

Absolutely. The PCIe rails are usually separated from the rails that the CPU and motherboard uses on those multi-rail PSUs, and a single 18A rail @ 12v = 216w.

When you factor in that the PCIe motherboard slot provides 75w of the Titan's energy needs, you're only pulling 175w / 10A at most from the PCIe cables on the PSU.
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Originally Posted by armando666 View Post

Aren't we the market?
We certainly get lectured to take responsibility for our actions when making buying decisions about the Titan by a lot of folks.
This is the only industry I know where prices are dictated by the Seller (Nvidia) , and everyone (buyers) is supposed to shut up about it. really, the only industry, and I know a lot of industries

Prices are dictated by supply/demand and competition. I never said consumers don't in the grand scheme of things dictate the prices but this isn't a macro-econ class, things aren't black and white, Nvidia is setting a price that they feel the market can take, so far it seems to be working.

Semiconductor business has always been very much competition centered. Simplifying everything all the way down to "as consumers we dictate pricing" is pretty far fetched. The problem is that we're talking about a launch of a single GPU, if you look at the big picture that means nothing. You can't apply these idealistic rules to small events and say that they have to follow the rules or something isn't working.
 
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AMD won't make big GPUs over 500mm2, their FireGL cards flopped and their presence in the HPC market is nearly non-existent. They won't see as much returns on big GPUs for gaming only. NVidia builds them big for the Tesla parts, Quadros and FirePros are more workstation cards that need to perform operations very similar to gaming cards (technically FirePro are HPC cards as well now but they are not completely suited for that yet), smaller GPUs suffice for this. It also takes a vast amount of R&D teams to make such a huge die, not AMD's strongsuit.

Also, nVidia's architecture is more CPU like (OoO) while AMD's architecture is more parallel and pipelined. Both have its advantages and disadvantages.

Also, GTX 280 was about 70-80% faster than 8800GTX.
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Originally Posted by mav1178 View Post

Then let me dumb it down for YOU:

Look at launch price for the flagship NVIDIA GPUS of the last few generations:

GTX780 - $650
GeForce Titan - $1000
GTX680 - $500
GTX580 - $500
GTX480 - $500
GTX280 - $650
9800GTX - $350
8800GTX - $600
7800GTX - $600-650
6800 Ultra - $500

Draw your own conclusions.

-alex

7800GTX: 60% faster than 6800 Ultra. 33% price/performance increase.
8800GTX: needs no explanation.
9800GTX: basically a rebranded 8800GTX; shouldn't even be listed
GTX 280: ~40% faster than 8800 Ultra, which went for ~$520 at the time... By that metric it's a slight price/performance increase, vs the 8800GTX it was a slight decrease though
GTX 480: ~60% faster than GTX 280. Though the 280's price had dropped dramatically, comparing launch prices that's roughly a doubling of price/performance.
GTX 580: ~20% faster than GTX 480. 20% price/performance increase.
GTX 680: ~30% faster than GTX 580. 30% price/performance increase.
GTX Titan: ~45% faster than GTX 680. 38% price/performance decrease.
GTX 780: ~35% faster than GTX 680. Same price/performance.

Do you see the problem here?

And the GTX 280's price was a bit out of line, many pointed that out at launch and NVIDIA realized it when the HD 4870 dropped for $300 and easily slotted between the $400 260 and $650 280.
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So I'm guessing this is it as far as VRAM goes? Don't want to jump the gun and have a 6GB model released in two months for $100 more. I assume that if you ask NVidia for more VRAM right now they'll point you toward the Titan.
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Mostly due to almost every laptop having a Nvidia gpu creating brand loyalty once someone goes desktop.

Actually, the numbers for discrete laptop GPUs are quite similar (approx. 2-to-1 in favor of NVIDIA), according to Mercury Research.

You're also not taking into account that the majority of movement between form factors is moving away from desktops and towards mobile devices like laptops and Ultrabooks.
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GTX 280 that came out at $650 offered 35% more performance than the 8800GTX that had then been discounted to $380.

People need to stop screaming about $2500 Maxwell chips. The prices are set according to the situation of the market, they're not going to follow some arbitrary $500 limit. $650 has been Nvidia's big chip price when they're well ahead of AMD/ATi. Seems like they didn't actually hike the price higher than their norm at all even though they very well could have.

In actual reality, if we go by Fermi "Terms"

Titan $1000 = 580 $500
780 $650 = 570 $350

NVIDIA has already crossed the $650 "Big chip" line, by first charging $500 for their midrange chips in the 680 / 670 line, and then by charging $1000 for Titan, which in reality should be the real 780.

Of course, NVIDIA is so far ahead of AMD's offerings right now, they are able to get away with these tactics.
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Prices are dictated by supply/demand and competition. I never said consumers don't in the grand scheme of things dictate the prices but this isn't a macro-econ class, things aren't black and white, Nvidia is setting a price that they feel the market can take, so far it seems to be working.

Semiconductor business has always been very much competition centered. Simplifying everything all the way down to "as consumers we dictate pricing" is pretty far fetched. The problem is that we're talking about a launch of a single GPU, if you look at the big picture that means nothing. You can't apply these idealistic rules to small events and say that they have to follow the rules or something isn't working.

Snip.
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