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Let's just put this to an end on pricing.... here's a post I'll shamelessly rip from someone on another forum:
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Originally Posted by Zarathustra[H];1039884898 
The GeForce 8800 Ultra was $850 at launch, $940 adjusted for inflation...

Historical precedent is all over the place, depending on what the competition was like at the time.

Lets look at pricing history for a moment (and factor in inflation as well)
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Year Model                           Launch price    Launch Price, 2013 Dollars
2000    Geforce 2 Ultra                 $500            $666.50 
2001    Geforce 3 TI 500                $350            $453.95 
2003    Geforce 4 TI 4600               $400            $499.20 
2003    Geforce 5950 Ultra              $500            $624.00 
2004    Geforce 6800 Ultra Extreme      $540            $656.10 
2006    Geforce 7900 GTX                $500            $569.50 
2007    Geforce 8800 Ultra              $850            $940.95 
2008    Geforce GTX 280                 $650            $692.90 
2009    Geforce GTX 285                 $400            $428.00 
2010    Geforce GTX480                  $500            $526.50 
2010    Geforce GTX580                  $500            $526.50 
2012    Geforce GTX680                  $500            $500.00 
2013 Geforce GTX Titan                  $999            $999.00

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Things go up and down, and they always will tongue.gif

Adjust for inflation and market conditions, and things really aren't bad at all.
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Actually, the numbers for discrete laptop GPUs are quite similar (approx. 2-to-1 in favor of NVIDIA), according to Mercury Research.

You're also not taking into account that the majority of movement between form factors is moving away from desktops and towards mobile devices like laptops and Ultrabooks.
I mean that people who enjoyed the Fermi series gpu's especially the gt 540M will be more likely to chose a desktop with Nvidia components.
I don't understand why but that gt 540m seemed so smooth for low budget laptops.
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In actual reality, if we go by Fermi "Terms"

Titan $1000 = 580 $500
780 $650 = 570 $350

NVIDIA has already crossed the $650 "Big chip" line, by first charging $500 for their midrange chips in the 680 / 670 line, and then by charging $1000 for Titan, which in reality should be the real 780.

Of course, NVIDIA is so far ahead of AMD's offerings right now, they are able to get away with these tactics.

780 is to 7970 as 580 is to 6970. Except that the 780 is a generation ahead of the 7970 and the price discrepancy is twice as large. Whoops!

NVIDIA was much further ahead of AMD/ATI back in the 8800 days; even then they only charged $830 for the 8800 Ultra and that card was similar to Intel's Extreme Edition in that all you got for your $230 over the 8800GTX was a few fps here and there and a larger epeen.
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Originally Posted by 2010rig View Post

In actual reality, if we go by Fermi "Terms"

Titan $1000 = 580 $500
780 $650 = 570 $350

NVIDIA has already crossed the $650 "Big chip" line, by first charging $500 for their midrange chips in the 680 / 670 line, and then by charging $1000 for Titan, which in reality should be the real 780.

Of course, NVIDIA is so far ahead of AMD's offerings right now, they are able to get away with these tactics.

This ^ until AMD gets something out on the market to compete Nvidia can do what they please..they're winning. I know we're all going back and forth on which GPUs were priced what back in the past but i honestly just don't want to see the 8970 or 9970 at 650$ that would suck. Most occasions in the past were when one company dominated the other in terms of performance no?
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But AMD doesn't price their products as low as before as they gain market share. Yes, nVidia is still ahead, but not as much as before 4xxx series. That is why 4870 was so cheap. If AMD comes up with something faster than Titan and Titan is still around, they will price it >1k$
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Originally Posted by Ha-Nocri View Post

Well, then we had AMD(ATI) far behind nVidia in performance and market share. Things are not the same anymore. We will see....

But that's just it... the GTX780 is far ahead in performance and NVIDIA feels they can price it as such.

I really don't see how this is an issue. Don't like it, don't buy...

-alex
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Originally Posted by 2010rig View Post

In actual reality, if we go by Fermi "Terms"

Titan $1000 = 580 $500
780 $650 = 570 $350

NVIDIA has already crossed the $650 "Big chip" line, by first charging $500 for their midrange chips in the 680 / 670 line, and then by charging $1000 for Titan, which in reality should be the real 780.

Of course, NVIDIA is so far ahead of AMD's offerings right now, they are able to get away with these tactics.

The funny thing is that no one complains about intel doing this.

Intel has been shrinking their dies for years and still selling them for $300 while creating a new $500-$1000 market for hexa-core CPUs that are in a perf class of their own. Before the 980X that didn't exist, you got the best chip intel had for $290 in the form of a i7 920. Now you have to pay $550 for a 3930K that isn't even a fully enabled chip and come IB-E you wont even be getting the big 12-core die at all, just a small 6-core one.

All this because AMD couldn't keep up. Now that the same is happening in the GPU industry people are going crazy about how Nvidia is going to charge $2000 for their next GPU. No they aren't as long as AMD competes. Nvidia was just able to move their product stack higher up compared to AMD's than before.
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This is exactly the kind of arrogance that we hope the management teams of our private equity portfolio companies never fall victim to, or we fire them.

I'd rather be realistic than talk about "arrogance" as if it had any meaning when it comes to business.

Idealism applied to small single events doesn't work.
 
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Adjust for inflation and market conditions, and things really aren't bad at all.

Yes, the problem is that despite similar to higher prices each of the cards you mentioned improved performance per dollar vs their predecessors, some by a larger margin than others.

The 780's price increase over the 680 is linear to its performance increase, and the Titan is a substantially worse value than anything I can recall ever being released on the market.
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The funny thing is that no one complains about intel doing this.

Intel has been shrinking their dies for years and still selling them for $300 while creating a new $500-$1000 market for hexa-core CPUs that are in a perf class of their own. Before the 980X that didn't exist, you got the best chip intel had for $290 in the form of a i7 920. Now you have to pay $550 for a 3930K that isn't even a fully enabled chip and come IB-E you wont even be getting the big 12-core die at all, just a small 6-core one.

All this because AMD couldn't keep up. Now that the same is happening in the GPU industry people are going crazy about how Nvidia is going to charge $2000 for their next GPU. No they aren't as long as AMD competes. Nvidia was just able to move their product stack higher up compared to AMD's than before.

A new $500-$1000 market? What about the high-end P4 HTs, the EEs? What about the C2Q? What about AMD's high-end Athlons and FXs? The i7-920 was an outlier if anything.
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But that's just it... the GTX780 is far ahead in performance and NVIDIA feels they can price it as such.

I really don't see how this is an issue. Don't like it, don't buy...

-alex

But I'm the center of the universe... it should be priced for ME, I don't care about anyone else. /sarcasm

Seems to be a trend in society... "me me me". If you can't afford it or don't like it, don't like the price, don't like the color of the DVI connector, or any other random reeason , don't buy it... this is NOT a staple of living.
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For the love of gawd... it just comes down to money. Would any of these AMD fans turn down a free Titan or 780? Of course not. If everyone could afford these cards, everyone would have them. For those of us who CAN afford them... we don't care about the price. These cards rock!

I feel like this is a very fair assessment. I really can't see a single thing that AMD offers over nVidia. Every argument an AMD fan makes is the same. "Just as good"... "way cheaper"... etc. These are common arguments. However, AMD cards lack CUDA cores and don't process data nearly as efficient for things other than games. There are other examples we could cite but we all know them.

I guess I'm just sick of the AMD vs nVidia and AMD vs Intel arguments. They are pointless. NVidia/Intel > AMD. The whole thing can be summarized by the following:

Haves... and have not's.

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There are lots of things they offer over Nvidia, pity you're too blind to see it.
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680 vs 7970
More Vram
More Memory Bandwidth
More performance
More overclocking headroom without voltage locks
More gains per additional clock in overclocking
And now the 7970 provides more fluid gameplay with better frametimes that everyone was crying about afew months ago.
You also get $160 worth of free games
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Let's just put this to an end on pricing.... here's a post I'll shamelessly rip from someone on another forum:
Adjust for inflation and market conditions, and things really aren't bad at all.
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Originally Posted by GoldenTiger View Post

Let's just put this to an end on pricing.... here's a post I'll shamelessly rip from someone on another forum:
Adjust for inflation and market conditions, and things really aren't bad at all.
adjusted for inflation they still mostly end up in the $500 dollar range and since 2009 it's been almost consistent.
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