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Originally Posted by Usario View Post

Yes, the problem is that despite similar to higher prices each of the cards you mentioned improved performance per dollar vs their predecessors, some by a larger margin than others.

The 780's price increase over the 680 is linear to its performance increase, and the Titan is a substantially worse value than anything I can recall ever being released on the market.

And the only reason this is possible because AMD has failed to launch anything.
 
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post #652 of 2543
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Originally Posted by Alatar View Post

The funny thing is that no one complains about intel doing this.


I'd rather be realistic than talk about "arrogance" as if it had any meaning when it comes to business.

Snip.
Edited by armando666 - 5/23/13 at 5:42pm
post #653 of 2543
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Originally Posted by Ha-Nocri View Post

Don't understand ppl that get driver problems with single-GPU AMD. Never had them.
I'm having random flickering with Firefox and GTA IV doesn't run properly (low fps and horrible drops). That's part of the reason why I'm switching to Nvidia again.
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post #654 of 2543
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Originally Posted by Seid Dark View Post

I'm having random flickering with Firefox and GTA IV doesn't run properly (low fps and horrible drops). That's part of the reason why I'm switching to Nvidia again.

Maybe it's you or your card? I ran GTA 4 just fine, with low fps tho. And never had any issues with Firefox, that's for sure.
Edited by Ha-Nocri - 5/23/13 at 4:14pm
post #655 of 2543
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Originally Posted by th3illusiveman View Post

There are lots of things they offer over Nvidia, pity you're too blind to see it.

680 vs 7970
More Vram
More Memory Bandwidth
More performance
More overclocking headroom without voltage locks
More gains per additional clock in overclocking
And now the 7970 provides more fluid gameplay with better frametimes that everyone was crying about afew months ago.
You also get $160 worth of free games

Errr, what?

More VRAM: useless for non-surround resolutions, 2560/below 2GB is more than enough still.
More bandwidth: that doesn't matter, performance matters.
More performance: they're trading blows across various games/settings, so.... it's not an "advantage" over anything.
More overclocking headroom: ???? They both are good oc'ers.
More gains/clock: Debatable, they end up basically the same in the end anyway.
More fluid gameplay: ????? Crossfire is completely borked still for frametimes and single-card is somewhat improved but not as good as the 680 still.
Free games: They're worth about $40 on ebay. In fact, I paid $30 for the entire bundle...

Oh, and the 7970 runs hotter, louder, draws more power, has slower driver updates for new titles, lacks physx, won't have nVidia's "shadow play" (hardware video encoding for game recording, sounds AWESOME soon), and has a lot of driver glitches in general compared to nVidia's stuff (source: every review) that tend to be more severe than ones nVidia has when they occur.
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post #656 of 2543
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A new $500-$1000 market? What about the high-end P4 HTs, the EEs? What about the C2Q? What about AMD's high-end Athlons and FXs? The i7-920 was an outlier if anything.

Older Extreme editions had pretty much always the same chip as the cheaper version. The price didn't actually give you much at all while that pretty much changed with the 980X and things have been going worse since then.

i7 920 OC'd was about equal to an OC'd i7 975

Same can't be said about the 3770K and 3960X.
 
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post #657 of 2543
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But that's just it... the GTX780 is far ahead in performance and NVIDIA feels they can price it as such.

I really don't see how this is an issue. Don't like it, don't buy...

-alex

Why ppl continue with this argument, don't like it, don't buy it. That's my business. We are talking about pricing here, what it was and what it might be in the future. It concerns all of us consumers.

I was saying that AMD won't price conventionally as before and that could rise prices in the future.
post #658 of 2543
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And the only reason this is possible because AMD has failed to launch anything.

The 7970 is still within 20% of the 780. Even without AMD launching anything they're still in a much better situation they were in when NVIDIA had the G80 and G92 cards out, even after they launched the craptastic 2900XT.
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Older Extreme editions had pretty much always the same chip as the cheaper version. The price didn't actually give you much at all while that pretty much changed with the 980X and things have been going worse since then.

i7 920 OC'd was about equal to an OC'd i7 975

Same can't be said about the 3770K and 3960X.

True. But other non-EE >$500 chips in the past did offer higher multipliers out of the box, resulting in higher overclocking headroom... and sometimes there was more cache or another feature or two.

And as I said we can't forget the Q6600 launching at $850 or whatever.
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I'm having random flickering with Firefox and GTA IV doesn't run properly (low fps and horrible drops). That's part of the reason why I'm switching to Nvidia again.

I had huge issues with my 7970 when it was new... ULPS would get stuck requiring a reboot between gaming sessions or just randomly during games... lots of flickering textures... poor performance in many areas of a game that weren't any more stressful than others... flash issues... loud/hot reference cooler... etc. (and before anyone jumps saying it was hardware, I had two different ones as well as (briefly) a 7950 windforce, all exhibited the same driver issues).
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The 7970 is still within 20% of the 780. Even without AMD launching anything they're still in a much better situation they were in when NVIDIA had the G80 and G92 cards out, even after they launched the craptastic 2900XT.

30% or so, you mean... and, let's see....
$450 * 1.3 = $585 if it was a linear performance/price ratio. For a quieter card with better drivers and a lot of other features, $65 is hardly much of a premium, even putting price/performance aside (and they never scale linearly at high-end). Seems like a reasonable curve still.
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