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Originally Posted by d-block View Post

I think he means the Titan with the flashed bios that allows more voltage. Though I could be wrong as I don't have a Titan.

That's true, but it's too early to know if the 780 will be able to do the same thing. At least on stock BIOS, oc'd 780 is basically equal (within ~5%) to an oc'd Titan.
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30% or so, you mean... and, let's see....
$450 * 1.3 = $585 if it was a linear performance/price ratio. For a quieter card with better drivers and a lot of other features, $65 is hardly much of a premium, even putting price/performance aside (and they never scale linearly at high-end). Seems like a reasonable curve still.

GTX 680 launch price was $500. 780 is 35% faster than 680. 1.35 * 500 = 675. GTX 680 currently goes for ~$450. 450 * 1.35 = 607.5.

HD 7970 launch price was $550. 780 is 20-25% faster than 7970. 1.2 * 550 = 660. 7970 currently goes for ~$400. 1.2 * 400 = 480. If you want to argue over another 5% (basically, the margin of error), 1.25 * 400 = 500.

HD 7970 and GTX 680 are high-end, and they're previous generation. The next generation is supposed to improve price/performance, otherwise NVIDIA decides to charge 30% more for the 30% faster 880, so that costs $850, then the 980 is 30% faster than that, so it costs $1100. It's an alarming trend.
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Originally Posted by Clairvoyant129 View Post

When was the 7970 within 20% of 780? I'm seeing 22-25% for 7970GHz. The regular 7970 is almost 30% behind.

The 780 completely destroys the 7970 and 7970GHz, no way around it.

There's zero point in talking about the regular 7970. Absolutely zero. The 7970GHz is basically a factory overclocked card released as an official SKU.

I'm seeing 20-25% for 7970 GHz. If you want to argue over what's essentially the margin of error that's fine by me.

I don't see how 20-25% more performance for a card that costs 63% more and came out a year and a half later is "destroying" but whatever.
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Gtx 780 is not 30% faster than the 7970. Titan is.

GTX 780 is within 5% on most every test I've seen, of the Titan, and matches it when both are oc'd. So, 30% average is indeed accurate.

Why don't you look at the actual benchmarks vs the 7970 GHz instead of taking a rough and inaccurate estimate of performance vs the Titan and then comparing that to a rough and inaccurate estimate of performance of the Titan vs the 7970 GHz? Every review I've read shows the 780 leading the 7970 GHz by ~20-25%.
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Originally Posted by Clairvoyant129 View Post

Do you bother looking at your graph before posting?

Using your graph we can say GTX 680 is equal to the 7970GHz and the GTX 670 is faster than the HD7970. rolleyes.gif

Well it's not my fault. It's the games they use and they use many of them, maybe the most of all reviewers.

But in newer games I usually see AMD ahead of 680 indeed. So the diff. between 780 and 7970GE could be even smaller.
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Originally Posted by sugarhell View Post

So you compare the Ati from then with the 'Ati' now? Completely different

All I'm saying is, ever since that big die attempt, neither ATI or AMD have done it since.
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Originally Posted by maarten12100 View Post

ATI doesn't exist anymore and was renamed to AMD wink.gif

Thanks, I didn't get the memo. thumb.gif
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Originally Posted by Blackops_2 View Post

This ^ until AMD gets something out on the market to compete Nvidia can do what they please..they're winning. I know we're all going back and forth on which GPUs were priced what back in the past but i honestly just don't want to see the 8970 or 9970 at 650$ that would suck. Most occasions in the past were when one company dominated the other in terms of performance no?

You know, this is a real concern, because with this generation, NVIDIA has created 2 additional price points for their GPU's.

Rather then selling their big dies for $350 & $500, they're now being sold for $650 & $1000.

Judging by the 7970 initial launch price of $550, I wouldn't be surprised if the 9970 comes in at a $599 price tag if it matches the 780 performance.

If it beats the 780 by say 20% - 30%, what's going to stop them from selling it for $650 - $700?

7990 is $1100 right now, while 2 7970's are roughly $800 - $900. AMD is just coming in at these new price brackets, rather then bringing out a 4870 for $299 all over again.

From the moment 7970 released at $550 ( $200 more than 6970 ) the pricing of this generation has gone uphill.
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Why ppl continue with this argument, don't like it, don't buy it. That's my business. We are talking about pricing here, what it was and what it might be in the future. It concerns all of us consumers.

I was saying that AMD won't price conventionally as before and that could rise prices in the future.

My biggest problem with statements like this is.... well, what you just said.

Your statement does not take into account how pricing and product strategy stands while taking into account sales, volume, board partner revenue, etc.

There are MANY ways to make a product profitable, and some of it is not by sheer "price we sell XYZ product at" logic.

Frankly AMD can only price their product the same way: flagship for cheaper. Or, fund/control the messaging end users receive by emphasizing on game bundles, product features, etc etc.

This gets into other details about business in the tech industry, in this "channel".

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Please show me a review of 780 maxed out OC vs. Titan maxed out OC. .

Sure: http://www.pcpop.com/doc/0/909/909377_27.shtml, as I said within ~5%.
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GTX 680 launch price was $500. 780 is 35% faster than 680. 1.35 * 500 = 675. GTX 680 currently goes for ~$450. 450 * 1.35 = 607.5.

HD 7970 launch price was $550. 780 is 20-25% faster than 7970. 1.2 * 550 = 660. 7970 currently goes for ~$400. 1.2 * 400 = 480. If you want to argue over another 5% (basically, the margin of error), 1.25 * 400 = 500.

Every review I've read shows the 780 leading the 7970 GHz by ~20-25%.

Ok, as you said, we can call the 5% margin of error (because it's unimportant). Let's go with 25% then... you're still talking $562.xx linear price-performance vs. 650 actual. Tech prices fluctuate a bit based on market competition, engineering limitations, and the economy... plus the normal right-at-the-top-end price-perf premium changing. Look at a GTX 580 vs. say, a 660 Ti if you want to argue that price-perf should increase per generation: it does. Just not at the top end, normally.
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lol @ a review thread becoming flame / price wars. You guys are sad thumb.gif
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It's less than 30%
[TPU chart]

According to that 1080p chart, it's 31.5% faster than a 7970, and 20% faster than a 7970GE.
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I know of that issue. A friend of mine had it, card wasn't stable @ 2D clock. That card is considered as broken. He got a new one.
Interesting. But the card is stable in games and outside of Firefox so I doubt that I could RMA this card. Windows or Firefox doesn't crash, just annoying but quick screen flicker when I scroll down sometimes for example. It's not constant at all.
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