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Originally Posted by GoldenTiger View Post

It's not easy to find direct comparisons in reviews yet. And, 7.5%, vs. 5% then, if you want to use just the GPU score instead of the actual score... what's that, 52-53fps instead of 50 in an actual game? Yep, that's worth 54% more money ($350). That's not price-performance or even "getting the best", that's just outright waste.

That wasn't the point.... Whether or not it's worth it is subjective.

Just a minute ago you were posting how an OC'd 780 matches an OC'd Titan though and the best example was a synthetic bench where the Titan hadn't been properly OC'd and still had a 7.5% perf lead.

And yes you should look at the GPU score when you compare GPUs. 3dmark final scores will just close the gap between all GPUs because they want to calculate in the CPU scores somehow since it's supposed to be an overall perf bench, not a GPU bench. There's a reason you can run the GPU benches separately, they're there to measure GPU performance.
 
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Sure: http://www.pcpop.com/doc/0/909/909377_27.shtml, as I said within ~5%.
I have yet to see a reviewer actually get a good overclock on the Titan, it's as if they are afraid to push it,....
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And once again

1) it's 3dmark
2)Titan memory wasn't OC'd at all
3)Stock bios on both cards
4)GPU score difference is actually 7.5%...

Comparing two overclocked cards is just silly, each card will OC differently. If I got some super-mega-awesome GTX 780 and you got a terrible Titan my card would destroy yours and vice versa. The simple fact is the GTX 780 at stock is ridicluously close to the Titan and in all honesty makes the Titan a poor choice unless you use compute functions or need the 6gb framebuffer.

Also I said earlier about the possibility of unlocked GTX 780s and you said that it had already been proven to be wrong could you point me to the proof?
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Comparing two overclocked cards is just silly, each card will OC differently. If I got some super-mega-awesome GTX 780 and you got a terrible Titan my card would destroy yours and vice versa. The simple fact is the GTX 780 at stock is ridicluously close to the Titan and in all honesty makes the Titan a poor choice unless you use compute functions or need the 6gb framebuffer.

Also I said earlier about the possibility of unlocked GTX 780s and you said that it had already been proven to be wrong could you point me to the proof?

Well said.
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That wasn't the point.... Whether or not it's worth it is subjective.

Just a minute ago you were posting how an OC'd 780 matches an OC'd Titan though and the best example was a synthetic bench where the Titan hadn't been properly OC'd and still had a 7.5% perf lead.

Oh, please... sure, "worth it" is an opinion if you want to argue semantics, but I think you'd find 99.992% of enthusiasts would agree that is going beyond even "worth it" and into "I want my signature to look cooler than other people's" territory.

As was said by others, oc-to-oc is a silly comparison since every card oc's differently, but even then, as I said... the difference is basically negligible. The score is X5388 vs. X5054, in a synthetic, so 6.6%. That translates into near-margin-of-error difference there, and absolutely nothing in gaming (where the differences are smaller for stock-to-stock comparisons in reviews).
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Comparing two overclocked cards is just silly, each card will OC differently. If I got some super-mega-awesome GTX 780 and you got a terrible Titan my card would destroy yours and vice versa. The simple fact is the GTX 780 at stock is ridicluously close to the Titan and in all honesty makes the Titan a poor choice unless you use compute functions or need the 6gb framebuffer.

Also I said earlier about the possibility of unlocked GTX 780s and you said that it had already been proven to be wrong could you point me to the proof?

overclockers.com review:
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What is very disappointing is that this +38 mV limit is going to stay with us, from this reference card all the way up to whatever card partners produce (think MSI Lightning, ASUS TOP or EVGA Classified models), even if they have a more robust power section, NVIDIA is only going to allow that same +38 mV limit.

http://www.overclockers.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-graphics-card-review middle of the page, part of the OCing section

But still, the difference is around 10% between the cards. In order for a really good 780 to match a Titan you would have to get one bloody awful Titan.
 
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post #706 of 2543
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Ok, as you said, we can call the 5% margin of error (because it's unimportant). Let's go with 25% then... you're still talking $562.xx linear price-performance vs. 650 actual. Tech prices fluctuate a bit based on market competition, engineering limitations, and the economy... plus the normal right-at-the-top-end price-perf premium changing. Look at a GTX 580 vs. say, a 660 Ti if you want to argue that price-perf should increase per generation: it does. Just not at the top end, normally.

I cannot recall a single flagship launch in the history of the GPU industry in which price/performance was not improved over the previous generation flagship, let alone one in which price/performance decreased.
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Not sure why so much argument about price.

1) Compare to Titan its priced amazingly and there where people out there that though 1K for Titan was ok.
2) $650 is due to no competition same as HD 7970 was $550.
3) Does it even matter. The best you can do if you want the card but dont like the price is not buy the card and show Nvidia that we are not willing to pay $650 for a GTX780.
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I cannot recall a single flagship launch in the history of the GPU industry in which price/performance was not improved over the previous generation flagship, let alone one in which price/performance decreased.

I think

HD 6970 ~ $375
HD 7970 ~ $550

Same P/P @ Launch.
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post #708 of 2543
if im not mistake the x850 xt were $500 msrb and the PE edition $550.. 7970 didnt raise no bar lol

Now thinking about that the 780 dont seem a bad price at all..
I did spent 500 bucks for the x850 xt rolleyes.gif
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@goldentigerThey have titan from february. Also its faster and we dont how high oc. If you want to have the best is always worth it.Especially from the moment that is not a part of a lineup. Its overpriced?Yes.Worth it? Its up to you.

I cant believe that an oced 780 can match an oced titan.Most of the reviews cant really oc a titan(without the anti-throttling bios).I wait for bench from ocn users to judge better.


Gtx780 cost 650 because its a part of the lineup. Still its a bit high
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Not sure why so much argument about price.

1) Compare to Titan its priced amazingly and there where people out there that though 1K for Titan was ok.
2) $650 is due to no competition same as HD 7970 was $550.
3) Does it even matter. The best you can do if you want the card but dont like the price is not buy the card and show Nvidia that we are not willing to pay $650 for a GTX780.
I think

HD 6970 ~ $375
HD 7970 ~ $550

Same P/P @ Launch.
that's a problem. Why should it be compared to a $1000 GPU when it's the sucessor to the $500 680. They released the titan at an insane price so that when they overcharged you later you would think you're getting a good deal. Take Titan out of the equation and i bet most people won't be happy that the GTX780 costs $150 more than the GTX680.
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