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So much Titan reassurance in this thread. Who cares if people bash your card? I thought you would have been above this Alatar.
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I just don't get the point here. You were just saying how much faster the 780 is compared to the 7970GHz but if the Titan only gets 2fps more than the 780 then in the same situation the 780 will only get 4-3fps more than the 7970GHz. So which one is it? The differences are big or unnoticeable? Can't really have it both ways.

Depends on the game.
The 780 is always faster then a 7970Ghz but is some cases it flat out whoops it.


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Nevertheless, it was 31% faster than the Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition (Crysis 3)
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They probably made some mistake(s)
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6970 and 7970 had the same price/performance at launch, but the 6970 was a second-tier card.

In what way was the 6970 a second-tier card?

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@Amstech
Cherry picking? If you read all the reviews the results vary a lot
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Shame we don't live in a fantasy.... in the real world, cost does matter.

I'm not spreading FUD and in fact you prove it in this very post. If you're saying the reason my review link is "invalid and not properly oc'd", the same would be true of the GTX 780 as well there. Most 780 and titan reviews note that memory oc'ing does basically nothing for performance (I can link you that if you'd like too!, in fact here's one right now: "Increasing GDDR5 clocks did little to nothing to improve performance until the core speeds were bumped up." http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/61310-nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-review-14.html . But again, since these cards aren't being "properly oc'd" according to your abstract criteria, we have to defer to stock vs. stock, and there the difference is, as I said, within spitting distance (negligible, i.e. basically the same just like I said). You can split hairs over 3% in one game, 8% in the next, but the bottom line is it simply is irrelevant: 2 fps in a game isn't going to make your experience better.

3% in one and 8% in the next? Last time I checked the reviewers were showing around 10% difference between the cards. So that's 7% in one game and 13% in another.

I just don't get the point here. You were just saying how much faster the 780 is compared to the 7970GHz but if the Titan only gets 2fps more than the 780 then in the same situation the 780 will only get 4-3fps more than the 7970GHz. So which one is it? The differences are big or unnoticeable? Can't really have it both ways.

It all comes down to that pesky "fantasy land vacuum" vs. "real life" thing. Look at more than a cherry-picked bench or two and it is around a 5-6% average difference which is completely negligible. And, as far as 25-30% vs. 5%: here's the difference: as I said, real people don't live in fantasy worlds. 25-30% performance for 44% more cash, is able to be rationalized by some people. 5%ish for... 54% more money? Yeah, you're not going to find much company on that one. You honestly can't see the difference there? How about between 40fps and 52fps? That brings it from somewhat-choppy to basically-smooth for many gamers. 52fps vs. 55, not so much. That again is the difference. It's fun to sit here and argue endlessly about how it's 3%, no it's 8%, no it's 1fps, no it's 3fps, but at the end of the day we're buying these cards to use, not sit around thinking about how awesome it is that we own them. Right?

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Depends on the game.
The 780 is always faster then a 7970Ghz but is some cases it flat out whoops it.


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And that right there illustrates my points about perfectly smile.gif.
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780 is a bit high compared to 7970 and 680 considering it's a new gen., true. But it's too low compared to Titan. I mean 5-10% difference, you won't notice it while gaming. That's 50 fps vs 55 fps. Compared to Titan 780 is a damn good deal...... sadly.

I seriously doubt that anyone who (could buy and) bought into Titan is unhappy with the performance of their card(s). And if they could afford them, then the 780 is just another family member launched. For many uses, the 6G frame buffer makes a big difference vs 3G and is waaay cheaper than a Q6000. The CFX7970s do a fine job of pumping out the pixels... until you get to 8M or 16M of 'em. then the titans shine.

Granted - not a mainstream gaming argument, but then again neither is a $650 card mainstream.
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Depends on the game.
The 780 is always faster then a 7970Ghz but is some cases it flat out whoops it.

Always?







What I've seen across multiple reviewers also shows that the 7970GE's frame time variance/delta frame time percentages/whatever the hell you want to call it is superior to the 780, for those of you who like to whine about frame time readings of questionable accuracy and noticeability
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In what way was the 6970 a second-tier card?

It didn't compete with NVIDIA's x80 card of the same generation; it competed with their x70 card. 580 stood alone as the top-of-the-line single-GPU card that generation.
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Shame we don't live in a fantasy.... in the real world, cost does matter.

I'm not spreading FUD and in fact you prove it in this very post. If you're saying the reason my review link is "invalid and not properly oc'd", the same would be true of the GTX 780 as well there. Most 780 and titan reviews note that memory oc'ing does basically nothing for performance (I can link you that if you'd like too!, in fact here's one right now: "Increasing GDDR5 clocks did little to nothing to improve performance until the core speeds were bumped up." http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/61310-nvidia-geforce-gtx-780-review-14.html . But again, since these cards aren't being "properly oc'd" according to your abstract criteria, we have to defer to stock vs. stock, and there the difference is, as I said, within spitting distance (negligible, i.e. basically the same just like I said). You can split hairs over 3% in one game, 8% in the next, but the bottom line is it simply is irrelevant: 2 fps in a game isn't going to make your experience better.

3% in one and 8% in the next? Last time I checked the reviewers were showing around 10% difference between the cards. So that's 7% in one game and 13% in another.

I just don't get the point here. You were just saying how much faster the 780 is compared to the 7970GHz but if the Titan only gets 2fps more than the 780 then in the same situation the 780 will only get 4-3fps more than the 7970GHz. So which one is it? The differences are big or unnoticeable? Can't really have it both ways.

Honestly for $350, I expected the Titan to be at least 15% faster. Nothing groundbreaking by buying a Titan over a 780. Nothing justifies the Titan at this point. Nvidia killed their on Halo product.

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not really, this can mean that they got a good number of GPU's in stock compared to last launch.. @ $650 I consider the 780 a good deal especially when its only 5-8% slower than titan in most games. Once Titan goes down to $850 the 780 should go down to around $500-550 and so forth.

lachen.gif Titan should be 800, this should be 599 or lower. Prices are out of control
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