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Non-Root User Access to Storage Partition

In less than 20 minutes of some reading on fstab I was able to get non-root user access to my Storage partition. The fstab line for the storage partition looks like this:
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UUID=************    /media/Storage    ntfs       auto,exec,suid,rw,realtime,user,users      0 2

I probably have more options than I really need... I saw something about installing ntfs-3g for support with the ntfs filesystem, so I installed it but I don't think I used it, going to remove it.
Edited by benpack101 - 6/5/13 at 6:10pm
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If you use the machine on nearly a daily basis and run -Suy then, there shouldn't be too many problems unless the binaries are moved or other manual intervention.

With the exception of last years glibc/filesystem community massacre, you are pretty much correct that the only usual manual intervention is the far and few between filesystem changes. And also pacman updates too ( it creates a /etc/pacman.cong.pacnew file as to not overwrite your /etc/pacman.conf file prematurely if you have specific configurations, repos, ignores, etc ).
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In the short time that I have used pacman I have quite liked it, and only gotten a glimpse of how powerful.

Have a look at the pacman entry on the wiki for a few examples, being able to use commands within pacman though allows for some amazing flexibility. tongue.gif
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While I do want to get a lot of experience with Arch, I would like for things to not break down if I personally didn't break it (and even then I don't want it to break smile.gif )

You're usually pretty safe in that regard. The packages are still tested for a short time, so they aren't thrown out there completely broken as much as some people love to think they are. And as I've said in this forum many times, the only time I've ever had an issue I didn't cause my self was last years glibc/filesystem horror ( wasn't really that bad, took a couple mins within a chroot to fix is all ).
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Non-Root User Access to Storage Partition

In less than 20 minutes of some reading on fstab I was able to get non-root user access to my Storage partition. The fstab line for the storage partition looks like this:
Code:
UUID=************    /media/Storage    ntfs       auto,exec,suid,rw,realtime,user,users      0 2

I probably have more options than I really need... I saw something about installing ntfs-3g for support with the ntfs filesystem, so I installed it but I don't think I used it, going to remove it.

Last I remember without ntfs-3g you can only read and can't write... been a while though since I've used ntfs drives since I converted all of mine to ext a while back.

Just add ntfs-3g instead of ntfs in your fstab to use it tongue.gif
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With the exception of last years glibc/filesystem community massacre, you are pretty much correct that the only usual manual intervention is the far and few between filesystem changes. And also pacman updates too ( it creates a /etc/pacman.cong.pacnew file as to not overwrite your /etc/pacman.conf file prematurely if you have specific configurations, repos, ignores, etc ).
Have a look at the pacman entry on the wiki for a few examples, being able to use commands within pacman though allows for some amazing flexibility. tongue.gif
You're usually pretty safe in that regard. The packages are still tested for a short time, so they aren't thrown out there completely broken as much as some people love to think they are. And as I've said in this forum many times, the only time I've ever had an issue I didn't cause my self was last years glibc/filesystem horror ( wasn't really that bad, took a couple mins within a chroot to fix is all ).

I guess as an outsider I heard numerous stories of update messes and whatnot. I guess the only thing to fear is fear itself.

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Last I remember without ntfs-3g you can only read and can't write... been a while though since I've used ntfs drives since I converted all of mine to ext a while back.

Just add ntfs-3g instead of ntfs in your fstab to use it tongue.gif

It seemed as though I could create a test.txt in the partition and go about adding to it. I went ahead and changed it to ntfs-3g to be safe.

I think a little later down the road I want to link the documents folder as well as some other folders I have to my home directory. I can imagine the file tree now! happysmiley.gif
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Last I remember without ntfs-3g you can only read and can't write... been a while though since I've used ntfs drives since I converted all of mine to ext a while back.
ntfs-3g is the FUSE driver which is r/w. Most kernel NTFS drivers are ro though I think there is a non-free kernel driver of ntfs-3g
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I believe they might have a rw in kernel driver, thats a huge might. Development stalled pretty bad and 3g took off well.

Edit, so its not a might, just experimental. I believe it lacks feature wise and is known to cause corruption. I wasnt sure i remembered correctly but a quick check helped me verify what i thought. Was skeptical to commit since its been ages since i last checked.
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I believe they might have a rw in kernel driver, thats a huge might. Development stalled pretty bad and 3g took off well.

Edit, so its not a might, just experimental. I believe it lacks feature wise and is known to cause corruption. I wasnt sure i remembered correctly but a quick check helped me verify what i thought. Was skeptical to commit since its been ages since i last checked.

Like I said, most kernel NTFS drivers are read only but Tuxera (the guys behind ntfs-3g) do provide a non-free r/w kernel drivers (which aren't experimental). I'm sure there's a whole bunch of other experimental kernel drivers - but you'd be nuts to run them.

In fact I'd go further than that and say you'd be silly to want to use NTFS on Linux for anything other than data recovery.
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Like I said, most kernel NTFS drivers are read only but Tuxera (the guys behind ntfs-3g) do provide a non-free r/w kernel drivers (which aren't experimental). I'm sure there's a whole bunch of other experimental kernel drivers - but you'd be nuts to run them.

In fact I'd go further than that and say you'd be silly to want to use NTFS on Linux for anything other than data recovery.

Well I've used the 3G drivers off an on consistently, they work well. I wouldn't say they are up to par with Windows, at least the free stuff, but it gets the job done. As far as kernel side, I agree, you shouldn't use it beyond read only from what I've researched. I stopped reading anything because 3G does what I need at the proper speeds. I don't run my games off NTFS but media and the likes work very well.

I would love to see the native drivers get on par with 3G but really, who cares? It's not something a normal linux user is interested anyways. I finally got a 1TB drive for windows, which means my 650GB drive can be full linux. Extremely nice! It's more space than I need as a Linux user, most of my long term storage will go in the 1TB drive.

So in the end, it's not really something that is of major importance. At least, I don't see it and by your response, neither do you. I'd even go so far to say that most of the people here are satisfied with the current solutions and their performance.
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Like I said, most kernel NTFS drivers are read only but Tuxera (the guys behind ntfs-3g) do provide a non-free r/w kernel drivers (which aren't experimental). I'm sure there's a whole bunch of other experimental kernel drivers - but you'd be nuts to run them.

In fact I'd go further than that and say you'd be silly to want to use NTFS on Linux for anything other than data recovery.

I'm keeping ntfs around just because I use the storage drive in Windows as well. Or do you have suggestions on what I should use for cross platform?
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Ext 3, then install Ext2Fsd in Windows to access it. Not Ext 4 as Ext2Fsd only has read support last I checked.

Overall, Ext is just a better filesystem in my opinion.
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