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Practically every residential plan from every ISP has a clause stating "no servers." And technically yes it does include hosting your own Minecraft server. But they probably won't enforce it or even care unless you're doing what this guy did, especially if you're making money from it.
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I wonder if any FIOS customers are reading this and thinking, "77TB in a month? Challenge accepted"

Just watch the FIOS network get brought to its knees.
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I just got a letter 2 days ago from Cox Communications(AZ) wanting me to upgrade my plan since I used 250Gb of data this month from using Netflix and Hulu+ rolleyes.gif
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Verizon should live up to it's advertised contract. This guy is probably a one-off case; he uses more data that I do in a year. However, it's only one single guy. Maybe if everyone done this then there would be some controversy. Stupid move my Verizon really, If they had just allowed the guy, they would still be able to name their service "unlimited" without false advertisement.

Well, their TOS explicitly states that you aren't allowed to run a server on a residential connection which is exactly what he did. So, it is "unlimited" but only if you play by their rules thumb.gif
   
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It's always been a fairly weakly enforced clause from what I know of. You can probably get away with running small things like minecraft servers or even low traffic web servers, but at some point you'll risk drawing attention to yourself.

Good luck running a web server at home with 80 blocked. Most residential connections / subscriptions come that way.
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I got warned for the first time ever a few months ago after one of my cryptocurrency wallets/clients started to eat up about 30GB of bandwidth a day (there was a dramatic rise is popularity, and thus both the number of connects and the side of the blocks transferred). Capping the number of connections at a more reasonable level solved this however.

Anyway, when something is advertised as unlimited, it should be unlimited. Bandwidth usage should only be limited by the maximum upload and download unless explicitly stated otherwise.

If they say 300 down, 65 up, unlimited, that should imply ~115TB a month without issue.

There is usually a "fair usage" thing.

On my ISP on the package one down from what I have, they advertise it as unlimited but there is a fair usage allowance of 500 GB/day or something huge like that. If you exceed the limit they won't charge you extra or cut off your internet, they will just cap you to dial up speed for the rest of the day.
    
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And this guy should live up to his end of the contract, not allowed to host servers.

We should be able to host monkeys on keyboards, it still wouldn't be any of the ISP's business what a customer is doing while sending 1's and 0's.

A no server clause is bull and should be ignorable.

If you want to host servers then get the enterprise or business plan or whatever Verizon calls the business version of their internet service.

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I literally don't understand those of you backing the offender, he broke his contract in a big way, he got caught, he doesn't seem to care.
Verizon, no matter how you look at it in THIS case is not in the wrong.
And yeah, a server is a server and they can ding you for it if they want. But in most cases they won't care since you won't even show up on their radar. Every ISP has to protect its infrastructure and customer base as a whole from being manipulated.
 
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I literally don't understand those of you backing the offender, he broke his contract in a big way, he got caught, he doesn't seem to care.
Verizon, no matter how you look at it in THIS case is not in the wrong.
And yeah, a server is a server and they can ding you for it if they want. But in most cases they won't care since you won't even show up on their radar. Every ISP has to protect its infrastructure and customer base as a whole from being manipulated.

Yea, he did. Problem is Vz also changed the clause from business servers to just servers. Charging 60% more for the same service, so a user does not violate any potential interpretations of a purposefully restrictive and vague contract for a utility is bogus. They intentionally created a legal loophole to charge more for the same service. This is a problem, the internet is a utility which is being unregulated and greatly exploited by these massive telecoms throughout the country. I'm all for any of these telecoms to get screwed, even just a little bit.

Besides which, they likely still make money from him as a customer at residential rates regardless of the bandwidth he was consuming.

If this was eating away at a small margin they were operating on, I wouldn't be nearly as inclined to side with him. The fact of the matter is these telecoms are making so much money from internet service, it is absolutely ridiculous that any person with common sense side with them. Yes, they have the legal rights based on the contract to do this, but no I don't believe they should have the right to gouge the populace of the nation on a utility. I say this as someone who verizon has screwed in the past with their careful 3pt font fine print, where they use inexact buzzwords to explain how you're allowed to use the service.
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Yea, he did. Problem is Vz also changed the clause from business servers to just servers. Charging 60% more for the same service, so a user does not violate any potential interpretations of a purposefully restrictive and vague contract for a utility is bogus. They intentionally created a legal loophole to charge more for the same service. This is a problem, the internet is a utility which is being unregulated and greatly exploited by these massive telecoms throughout the country. I'm all for any of these telecoms to get screwed, even just a little bit.

Besides which, they likely still make money from him as a customer at residential rates regardless of the bandwidth he was consuming.

If this was eating away at a small margin they were operating on, I wouldn't be nearly as inclined to side with him. The fact of the matter is these telecoms are making so much money from internet service, it is absolutely ridiculous that any person with common sense side with them. Yes, they have the legal rights based on the contract to do this, but no I don't believe they should have the right to gouge the populace of the nation on a utility. I say this as someone who verizon has screwed in the past with their careful 3pt font fine print, where they use inexact buzzwords to explain how you're allowed to use the service.

I didn't say I agreed that it should be the way it is, but he knew the contract and terms and specifically changed his plans in hopes he wouldn't get caught. He did.
The nice thing about having your own company is you can more or less do what you want. Is it fair? No. Does that mean the company is at fault because specific users are trying to find work around and loop holes of their own? No.
 
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