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This is me. My utf8 name 方向音痴 got nerfed here into some ascii messup. Anyway just to clear up some things that were wrong in the article:

I have two 150/65 (real speed 155/75) fios connections (not a 300/65). I was on business for a very long time and switched to residential for the pricing. Business used to be within 10% of residential pricing but some of their packages are priced very differently and arbitrarily and I didn't really need the static IP. I really didn't think they would care as I have never heard of VZ getting on anyones case for bw usage or running servers before. Every ISP in the U.S. has stuff in their ToS about servers but lots of people ignore it and tons of people run servers anyway.

Honestly it surprises me they would go to the extent of calling people and using ToS as an excuse (it really is as two other guys were called and one was not running servers or in violation of ToS) just to get a little bit more money out of me and switch me to business when the same packets are going to be going over the same connection with no real change.

The other guy was told his usage would not be acceptable on small business even though the guy who called me did say I could upgrade to small business or get disconnected.

I am not complaining at all (why I have LOL in the thread in dslreports). If anything I was surprised they would bother more than anything.

Due to the way FIOS's infrastructure is setup and bandwdith costs these days (and the fact VZ is a tier1 transit provider) I think its very likely VZ is still making a profit off me even with my usage. So surprised more than anything they would bother going after someone because of their usage residential or not.
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30 mb/s on average all month I did the math
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Originally Posted by ae-?a View Post

This is me. My utf8 name 方向音痴 got nerfed here into some ascii messup. Anyway just to clear up some things that were wrong in the article:

I have two 150/65 (real speed 155/75) fios connections (not a 300/65). I was on business for a very long time and switched to residential for the pricing. Business used to be within 10% of residential pricing but some of their packages are priced very differently and arbitrarily and I didn't really need the static IP. I really didn't think they would care as I have never heard of VZ getting on anyones case for bw usage or running servers before. Every ISP in the U.S. has stuff in their ToS about servers but lots of people ignore it and tons of people run servers anyway.

Honestly it surprises me they would go to the extent of calling people and using ToS as an excuse (it really is as two other guys were called and one was not running servers or in violation of ToS) just to get a little bit more money out of me and switch me to business when the same packets are going to be going over the same connection with no real change.

The other guy was told his usage would not be acceptable on small business even though the guy who called me did say I could upgrade to small business or get disconnected.

I am not complaining at all (why I have LOL in the thread in dslreports). If anything I was surprised they would bother more than anything.

Due to the way FIOS's infrastructure is setup and bandwdith costs these days (and the fact VZ is a tier1 transit provider) I think its very likely VZ is still making a profit off me even with my usage. So surprised more than anything they would bother going after someone because of their usage residential or not.

My whole issue with the problem is that they called you asking what you were doing with the internet. I mean, you pay for private usage, maybe not to host a server, but it's a private server as well. For family and friends, and also they advertised unlimited usage, yet this is all based upon how much information you had used. It's a catch-22 situation. A lot of people on here are going to scream ToS this and ToS that, but as a customer, you have a right to use their service but it would seem that they're trying to PERSONALLY call you out on it, and I think it's wrong.
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Fullsize picture of his server

Damn. I wonder what his energy bill is. That whole thing likely has to be kept in an air conditioned room.
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30 mb/s on average all month I did the math

That one month was very heavy as I was backuping up a bunch of stuff (everything off my colo'd box) and had a bunch of downstream. I averaged a bit over 100 meg incoming and 100 meg outbound that month.

Most months I am more in the ~30tb range.
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This is me. My utf8 name 方向音痴 got nerfed here into some ascii messup. Anyway just to clear up some things that were wrong in the article:

I have two 150/65 (real speed 155/75) fios connections (not a 300/65). I was on business for a very long time and switched to residential for the pricing. Business used to be within 10% of residential pricing but some of their packages are priced very differently and arbitrarily and I didn't really need the static IP. I really didn't think they would care as I have never heard of VZ getting on anyones case for bw usage or running servers before. Every ISP in the U.S. has stuff in their ToS about servers but lots of people ignore it and tons of people run servers anyway.

Honestly it surprises me they would go to the extent of calling people and using ToS as an excuse (it really is as two other guys were called and one was not running servers or in violation of ToS) just to get a little bit more money out of me and switch me to business when the same packets are going to be going over the same connection with no real change.

The other guy was told his usage would not be acceptable on small business even though the guy who called me did say I could upgrade to small business or get disconnected.

I am not complaining at all (why I have LOL in the thread in dslreports). If anything I was surprised they would bother more than anything.

Due to the way FIOS's infrastructure is setup and bandwdith costs these days (and the fact VZ is a tier1 transit provider) I think its very likely VZ is still making a profit off me even with my usage. So surprised more than anything they would bother going after someone because of their usage residential or not.

They were bound to catch onto you sometime with all the network monitoring that goes on these days by these companies.
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Wow, so I'm not the only one. Hosted a server for a month, used up 600GB; Cox sent me a letter. Pretty crazy to use up 70TB though LOL, he must have a lot of friends and family..
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My whole issue with the problem is that they called you asking what you were doing with the internet. I mean, you pay for private usage, maybe not to host a server, but it's a private server as well. For family and friends, and also they advertised unlimited usage, yet this is all based upon how much information you had used. It's a catch-22 situation. A lot of people on here are going to scream ToS this and ToS that, but as a customer, you have a right to use their service but it would seem that they're trying to PERSONALLY call you out on it, and I think it's wrong.

I think it's more than fair that they called him.

It could have easily been the case that his neighbor had piggybacked his connection and was using it without him knowing.

If I somehow used 77TB of bandwidth in a month, on a current residential connection, I wouldn't be surprised getting contacted.

When a single user is using more bandwidth than 99.999999% of other residential customers, it's not exactly unjust to contact that customer.
 
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This is me. My utf8 name 方向音痴 got nerfed here into some ascii messup. Anyway just to clear up some things that were wrong in the article:

I have two 150/65 (real speed 155/75) fios connections (not a 300/65). I was on business for a very long time and switched to residential for the pricing. Business used to be within 10% of residential pricing but some of their packages are priced very differently and arbitrarily and I didn't really need the static IP. I really didn't think they would care as I have never heard of VZ getting on anyones case for bw usage or running servers before. Every ISP in the U.S. has stuff in their ToS about servers but lots of people ignore it and tons of people run servers anyway.

Honestly it surprises me they would go to the extent of calling people and using ToS as an excuse (it really is as two other guys were called and one was not running servers or in violation of ToS) just to get a little bit more money out of me and switch me to business when the same packets are going to be going over the same connection with no real change.

The other guy was told his usage would not be acceptable on small business even though the guy who called me did say I could upgrade to small business or get disconnected.

I am not complaining at all (why I have LOL in the thread in dslreports). If anything I was surprised they would bother more than anything.

How long had you switched to residential before they contacted you?
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The same would go for anyone who wanted remote access to their own network via SSH or OpenVPN, since those are also servers. Should they be forced to pay for a business connection too?
Yea but it wouldn't matter as long as they didn't use a crazy amount of bandwidth.
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