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Quick, someone post a pic showing the graphics quality of the last 3 COD games...
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All of the stats go right out of the window in Hardcore mode, have you tried it? I think you would greatly enjoy it over the standard game if your biggest peeve is that unrealistic representation of caliber based damage.

In addition to that, do you see my point though, asking why you would play "this game" if you need realism? I don't quite get a response to that so maybe you missed it. The things you brought up are also things I would like to see in the game, however, I found that HC opens up the door to using the gun you prefer over the gun you "have" to use. I think that is why they don't need to balance the "main" game because if you feel it is unfair or unbalanced, those players can jump on Hardcore, and play the game slightly more realistically.

Lets be honest, nobody getting clipped with a 0.224 is just going to get up and start sprinting afterwards. You have to realize that this is a game, a specific game, to a specific group.

I've played hardcore, talking to a pistol dick. I'll run around with whatever pistol I can use the best and just crap on people. It's generally a pistol and a sniper rifle. Sniper rifle is only in case my pistol can't go far enough.

About a .224, it would depend on the vest. Either way, that's part of the game I ignore. You really can't have real mechanics and a fun game. Sure, I've thought about how nice it would be to have arm/leg shots cause movement penalties. That just wouldn't work for their crowd, nor would I really enjoy that 24/7. So even though it is a cool idea, it would be best done as a game mode.

Also, as I love hardcore for it's realism. It isn't the best balanced either. Though as far as COD goes, it's the only game mode I'll play because of how unbalanced regular DM is. I'd love to have a generic DM in which you see some nice balance. It's why I get in people's faces about how terribly unbalanced the game is. Balance doesn't infer realism or skill, it just means each player can choose a weapon based of it's unique qualities. I have a feeling they do this so that many people can use the gun they want and still "have a chance". Which throws the whole balance thing out the window. At that point we might as well be playing with a small selection of guns. Oh, that's right, people like choice even if it doesn't do as much as it should (going right back to my pistols in the new MW3). Black Ops has managed to do balance better this 2nd round, personally I thought blops1 was pretty cheasy in MP. I only gave it credit because it's played competitively, at least recently.
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VAC only really works well if they can integrate it into the game well.
Even then it is second rate - just look at the hacks in the CS games, games that VAC was created for wink.gif

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As with all Anti-Cheat solutions, admins are still something that makes the experience complete.
Having admins police servers is fraught with problems - the biggest being their own hurt pride leading to players being banned from servers.

If a quality anticheat was made, admins would not be needed to police players who they "think" hack, because the anticheat would do it for them.

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So even if they get a good system up, you'll always have issues. And even then, you will find nice hacks that are classified as 0-Ring hacks. Driver hacks, which exploit the game at the kernel level. You simply cannot compete with that, those will exist for a while...

...Anti-Cheat only goes so far, any automated system is bound to be broken. Especially by those who pay professionals to code the cheat, they are extremely good at it.
This is always the exacuse, but it is a load of BS and just a cop out so they don't have to spend money on the problem.

If quality antivirus programs can keep PCs clean from viruses, then there is no reason why a quality anticheat would keep servers hacker and cheat free.

And with the money Activision has made on the cod series alone, they have more then enough to make the worlds best anticheat system if they wanted to - and with that same money they could quite easily keep it updated properly.

The only reason they don't is because ppl like you make excuses for them, and they love it because they get to save their money and use the same pathetic excuses.

It isn't hard at all to make an anticheat that works - it just costs money, and they won't spend any of theirs unless they really have to.
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Even then it is second rate - just look at the hacks in the CS games, games that VAC was created for wink.gif
Having admins police servers is fraught with problems - the biggest being their own hurt pride leading to players being banned from servers.

If a quality anticheat was made, admins would not be needed to police players who they "think" hack, because the anticheat would do it for them.
This is always the exacuse, but it is a load of BS and just a cop out so they don't have to spend money on the problem.

If quality antivirus programs can keep PCs clean from viruses, then there is no reason why a quality anticheat would keep servers hacker and cheat free.

And with the money Activision has made on the cod series alone, they have more then enough to make the worlds best anticheat system if they wanted to - and with that same money they could quite easily keep it updated properly.

The only reason they don't is because ppl like you make excuses for them, and they love it because they get to save their money and use the same pathetic excuses.

It isn't hard at all to make an anticheat that works - it just costs money, and they won't spend any of theirs unless they really have to.

Find me an anti cheat system that works perfect. You dont even know how cheats work do you? You know that they commonly hook onto functions of the anti cheat code itself? Not only that but how do you stop 0ring hacks?

From the sound of it you arent even aware how complicated this system is. Neither of the major anti cheat systems can even stop all cheats. But whatever, once you understand how bad this is come back.
Edited by mushroomboy - 5/31/13 at 11:25pm
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Punkbuster works well there are far less hackers in bf3 than there are in any of the modern warfare games that i have played.
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Find me an anti cheat system that works perfect. You dont even know how cheats work do you? You know that they commonly hook onto functions of the anti cheat code itself? Not only that but how do you stop 0ring hacks?

From the sound of it you arent even aware how complicatec this system is. Neither of the major anti cheat systems can even stop all cheats. But whatever, once you understand how bad this is come back.

VAC has recently detected ring0 hacks actually.

http://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/1ejgxk/hacker_banwave_success/

Pretty amazing if you ask me... thumb.gif
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Find me an anti cheat system that works perfect.
My point, if you missed it, is that there are none and that Activision has made billions on the cod series so they should be channelling some of that billion dollar profit back into making a quality anticheap system.
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You dont even know how cheats work do you? You know that they commonly hook onto functions of the anti cheat code itself? Not only that but how do you stop 0ring hacks?
You don't know diddly squat about me and what I know, so instead of commenting on what I do or don't know, perhaps you should just keep things civil hey.

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From the sound of it you arent even aware how complicatec this system is. Neither of the major anti cheat systems can even stop all cheats. But whatever, once you understand how bad this is come back.
From the sounds of it you think those creating hacking programs are some kind of coding gods and no one can do anything to stop them *****.

I'll put it back to my earlier comment, if quality antivirus software can keep all the nasty malware at bay, then with similar funding and development, a quality anticheat could do the same.
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My point, if you missed it, is that there are none and that Activision has made billions on the cod series so they should be channelling some of that billion dollar profit back into making a quality anticheap system.
You don't know diddly squat about me and what I know, so instead of commenting on what I do or don't know, perhaps you should just keep things civil hey.
From the sounds of it you think those creating hacking programs are some kind of coding gods and no one can do anything to stop them *****.

I'll put it back to my earlier comment, if quality antivirus software can keep all the nasty malware at bay, then with similar funding and development, a quality anticheat could do the same.

They arent gods, the thing is... Thats how they make their living. Were modchips stopped?

The point, a system out long enough gets hacked, no matter what the cost. Windows spends a lot of money to be secure, you think they could make a decent av off their funds. Why do you think activision would do great in anti cheat?

Companies spend their entire career fixating on a subject, only to be outed by another. Antivirus isnt as lucrative as cheats. For one, you dont have the average joe willing to pay money for exploits, they wouldnt have the reason to use it. Where as in hacks or cheats... Well look at the situation. This isnt a federal offense, or legal one so you have no legal compensation. Its easier to get clients, more money.

Hacks are a huge income to some people. So you shouldnt be surprised to see them done more.

Not to mention, a developer has to work very personally with the anti cheat developer. That is also my response to BF3, you cant have a developer slap on anti cheat software. Its as much of the game developers fault. Thats what i ment by saying they have to integrate it well into the game.

The anti cheat developers have no control over how the game designers integrate the cheat system. Poor integration is worse than a poor anti cheat system.

I didnt expect you, or any of you, to understand this. Not a surprise to me.

(edit) darn tab typos
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VAC only really works well if they can integrate it into the game well.
Even then it is second rate - just look at the hacks in the CS games, games that VAC was created for wink.gif

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As with all Anti-Cheat solutions, admins are still something that makes the experience complete.
Having admins police servers is fraught with problems - the biggest being their own hurt pride leading to players being banned from servers.

If a quality anticheat was made, admins would not be needed to police players who they "think" hack, because the anticheat would do it for them.

Quote:
So even if they get a good system up, you'll always have issues. And even then, you will find nice hacks that are classified as 0-Ring hacks. Driver hacks, which exploit the game at the kernel level. You simply cannot compete with that, those will exist for a while...

...Anti-Cheat only goes so far, any automated system is bound to be broken. Especially by those who pay professionals to code the cheat, they are extremely good at it.
This is always the exacuse, but it is a load of BS and just a cop out so they don't have to spend money on the problem.

If quality antivirus programs can keep PCs clean from viruses, then there is no reason why a quality anticheat would keep servers hacker and cheat free.

And with the money Activision has made on the cod series alone, they have more then enough to make the worlds best anticheat system if they wanted to - and with that same money they could quite easily keep it updated properly.

The only reason they don't is because ppl like you make excuses for them, and they love it because they get to save their money and use the same pathetic excuses.

It isn't hard at all to make an anticheat that works - it just costs money, and they won't spend any of theirs unless they really have to.

Moderate or Administer a Gameserver, then get back to me on that. The only people who even think that are ones that've never seen the console side of a public server.

Even quality antivirus doesn't stop someone actively trying to get in. In fact, to anyone who knows how, those antiviruses have off switches. Heck, they don't even protect you from your own stupidity, they just try to keep away the low level things and hope you don't ask one in on accident.

Again, Moderate a server and get back to me.

Your entire post is that of someone who has no idea what they're talking about and wants it to "just work". Well, life isn't that way. Deal with it.

EDIT: Oh, and there's more to moderating a server than just catching cheaters. I can list plenty of examples if you like that no software would ever catch.
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Moderate or Administer a Gameserver, then get back to me on that. The only people who even think that are ones that've never seen the console side of a public server.

Even quality antivirus doesn't stop someone actively trying to get in. In fact, to anyone who knows how, those antiviruses have off switches. Heck, they don't even protect you from your own stupidity, they just try to keep away the low level things and hope you don't ask one in on accident.

Again, Moderate a server and get back to me.

Your entire post is that of someone who has no idea what they're talking about and wants it to "just work". Well, life isn't that way. Deal with it.

EDIT: Oh, and there's more to moderating a server than just catching cheaters. I can list plenty of examples if you like that no software would ever catch.

Was going to rep you till i saw... Thank you for sticking up for my points. People dont know how cheats really work, its off putting. You see all these anti-x cheat hate posts with no validity.

And to the 0ring, was not aware they could get them. Is it 100%?
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