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Does anyone else see the irony in members of a PC enthusiast forum complaining that console games are going to work more like PC games?

I think that most of the people complaining are actually console gamers, as many PC gamers I know also play on consoles, although that seems to be changing, with less PC gamers still gaming on consoles as time goes on.
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Point is that even if people also play on consoles, it makes them 100% hypocrites to be crying about how important second hand sales are, when the whole internet section of PC gaming has been sucking up to this very business model that kills second hand games in the PC market for years now.

Infact the narrative was "this is the ONLY acceptable type of DRM".

Now that this acceptable DRM has spread to consoles, it has become unacceptable lmao.


I laughed when people supported Steam whined about Origin/Uplay and the thought of any more clients, but I think I'll be laughing even harder now that the PC gamers favourite DRM is on console and apparently its a really bad thing.


I'm not surprised people complain so much about companies not listening when the people complaining don't seem to even know what they actually want in the first place.
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Point is that even if people also play on consoles, it makes them 100% hypocrites to be crying about how important second hand sales are, when the whole internet section of PC gaming has been sucking up to this very business model that kills second hand games in the PC market for years now.

Infact the narrative was "this is the ONLY acceptable type of DRM".

Now that this acceptable DRM has spread to consoles, it has become unacceptable lmao.


I laughed when people supported Steam whined about Origin/Uplay and the thought of any more clients, but I think I'll be laughing even harder now that the PC gamers favourite DRM is on console and apparently its a really bad thing.


I'm not surprised people complain so much about companies not listening when the people complaining don't seem to even know what they actually want in the first place.

I think a lot of it is numbers of people. Console gamers dwarf PC gamers so we PC gamers don't have much of a voice so it doesn't do much good to complain anyway. The console market is different and there is a chance MS might listen to the consumers.

I am reserving my personal judgement on if it is acceptable or not until we see the prices. If used game sales are hurting things as much as they say they are then they should be able to charge $40 for a new released game. If they are $80 USD...oh hell no.

Though the only reason why I am OK with not being able to sell used PC games is because I seldom ever pay more than $30 for one. If I were to drop $60 on release day and then resell it for $30 I would end up spending the same amount except that I would not still have the game. I just have to be willing to wait a few months for a game to go on sale. Plus I am learning that as time moves forward, games become worse. So I've actually started to be thankful for some of these older games that I've been forced to keep around.
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With PC games though you can find them on sale a good portion of the time, as with steam games. Console game sales rarely happen and they never drop a games price down 75% or so.

But one of the reasons we get away with having sales on PC games is because you can't resell them. In addition, it's what keeps people buying games well after release; Most console games don't see any sales 2-6 months after release.

Right.

If Microsoft were to say that they're dropping the price of new games to $40 when purchased online, there would be a lot less complaining.

And there's the other thing, they're forcing it on us (or at least as of last week they were). Give people the option, don't just go out and tell everyone that you're removing a feature that people have relied on for decades in order to enjoy a greater variety (or any) games. If you provide positive reinforcement for a new behavior you're going to have a much better reaction than simply punishing people for doing what they've always done.
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Plus I am learning that as time moves forward, games become worse. So I've actually started to be thankful for some of these older games that I've been forced to keep around.


There's another point I keep forgetting. Xbox One games die with the console, your ability to play the games is directly tied to that piece of hardware, and with all this cloud stuff they potentially just stop working as soon as M$ decides there aren't enough people playing the games.

The long term outlook for Xbone games is bleak.

PC games are eternal.
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I think a lot of it is numbers of people. Console gamers dwarf PC gamers so we PC gamers don't have much of a voice so it doesn't do much good to complain anyway. The console market is different and there is a chance MS might listen to the consumers.


wrong there are a billion pc gamers and 250 million CORE pc gamers.... Just because there are more console gamers in Japan UK and US does not mean worldwide its true. Consoles are illegal in china.. That's why most chinese buddies of mine are PC gamers.

Console gamers are just a lot whinier.

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-China continues to be the largest and fastest growing market for PC games with record 2012 revenue of US$6.8 billion, a growth of percent. Mature game markets in Korea, Japan, U.S., U.K. and Germany all showed growth in 2012. Together these markets also increased revenue by percent in 2012, to $8.4 billion.

-There are over 1 billion PC gamers worldwide and that number is continuing to grow as more PCs are connected online. Over 250 million of those gamers play what are defined as "core games."


According to the PCGA report. I wish people would quit propagating bullcrap and look at actual numbers. I might be a US citizen but at least I realize that the majority of the world's gaming population does not reside in the US Japan and UK. It resides in India and China. Guess what? They don't EFFING GAME ON EFFING CONSOLES.

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wrong there are a billion pc gamers and 250 million CORE pc gamers.... Just because there are more console gamers in Japan UK and US does not mean worldwide its true. Consoles are illegal in china.. That's why most chinese buddies of mine are PC gamers.

Console gamers are just a lot whinier.
According to the PCGA report. I wish people would quit propagating bullcrap and look at actual numbers. I might be a US citizen but at least I realize that the majority of the world's gaming population does not reside in the US Japan and UK. It resides in India and China. Guess what? They don't EFFING GAME ON EFFING CONSOLES.

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1.4 Billion Consumers that own a PC. Only ~600m of them do some form of Gaming; or 43%.

The size of PC gaming is exceptionally deceptive. For companies like Zynga focused on facebook-quality casual games, PC is where they want to be. Companies like 4A Games (Metro 2033), Crytek, and Roberts Space Industries prefer PC because consoles lack the power to do what they want to do aimed for the enthusiast market.

But the mainstream gaming? The Maddens, the Call of Duties, the Skyrims, the Assassin's Creeds, the Forzas... All have bigger markets on the consoles. PC gaming has the edge for casual and enthusiast, mainline gaming is decidedly in favor of consoles.

Remember, when you look at research like that, casual games aren't separated out. It's why studies will show that 53-57% of gamers are female despite their minority in the mainstream market.
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Well, it also depends on what you call PC gaming....I don't consider people playing facebook games PC gamers. When talking games that are sold on the consoles and sold on the PC the console versions will always sell more even if you include a healthy bonus to the PC number to account for any digital downloads that might not have been in the counts.
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I think you quoted a different souce than you linked, as this is from that source:
The size of PC gaming is exceptionally deceptive. For companies like Zynga focused on facebook-quality casual games, PC is where they want to be. Companies like 4A Games (Metro 2033), Crytek, and Roberts Space Industries prefer PC because consoles lack the power to do what they want to do aimed for the enthusiast market.

But the mainstream gaming? The Maddens, the Call of Duties, the Skyrims, the Assassin's Creeds, the Forzas... All have bigger markets on the consoles. PC gaming has the edge for casual and enthusiast, mainline gaming is decidedly in favor of consoles.

Remember, when you look at research like that, casual games aren't separated out. It's why studies will show that 53-57% of gamers are female despite their minority in the mainstream market.


No, I didn't you just aren't a paying subscriber to the report therefor you can't read the actual research.


Secondarily do you even know how much money facebook games made last year? A hell of a lot more than the Maddens, Call of Duties, Skyrims, Assassin's creeds, forzas.. Mainline "Console" games are NOT a bigger market and anyone who thinks so is either woefully ignorant or delusional.

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Well, it also depends on what you call PC gaming....I don't consider people playing facebook games PC gamers. When talking games that are sold on the consoles and sold on the PC the console versions will always sell more even if you include a healthy bonus to the PC number to account for any digital downloads that might not have been in the counts.

I don't consider anyone that plays Call of Duty a console gamer.. See what I did there? I made a completely irrational statement based on my OPINION and not on the facts of markets or numbers. PC gaming is a larger and growing market. I have no idea why anyone would say otherwise unless they had an agenda.
 
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