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Hi All,

"The projectile needs lead shot to be added to give it weight and it still requires a standard shotgun charge and shell case to fire".

So you are using smaller BBs to make shot sized BBs? Really!!!

Hmmm I wonder let's see $10k-$20K of ink (media), $3K for printer.................. Now if I could print out a Lamborghini Murcealago that would be about $23K for a $300K car, NOW THAT would be SOMETHING!!!!!

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Yep, for the price of a good printing setup you could just get a press/tumbler/other and make legit ammo. This whole printed ammo thing is a "because we can" not a "its a feasible option for mass production" type of deal.

Not even that much. You could get a "Rock Chucker Supreme" kit from RCBS for about $825, add in about $30 a caliber for dies and you are all set. If you want a tumbler, the Lyman 1200 is only about $50. A lead casting furnace is about $40, and a bullet mold and trimmer is only about $20.

So for $965 you can make your own bullets and then assemble them in your own casings.

I bought a basic "Rock Chucker" about 25 years ago and have slowly added more an more components over the years (I now also have a progressive press too) and in an evening, I can crank out about 500 rounds of ammo, not just the bullets with no problem.

3D printing of ammo is nothing more than a joke novelty ... much like 3D printing of a gun.
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Since you can fire almost anything from a shotgun, and since actual shotgun ammunition is exceedingly easy to manufacture/improvise, I'm wondering what relevance this article has to anything.

Give me any gas stove, a spoon, a box of old lead sinkers, and the mold I made from crap in the junk drawer in my shed, and I can make real 12-guage slugs all day long.
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Not even that much. You could get a "Rock Chucker Supreme" kit from RCBS for about $825, add in about $30 a caliber for dies and you are all set. If you want a tumbler, the Lyman 1200 is only about $50. A lead casting furnace is about $40, and a bullet mold and trimmer is only about $20.

So for $965 you can make your own bullets and then assemble them in your own casings.

For shot or slugs, you can go way cheaper than this, probably close to free.
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3d printed gun, then bullet , i am waiting for 3D printed 3d printer biggrin.gif:D. Jokes aside, this thing could be dangerous especially with wrong people getting their hands on it, especially idiots gunner2.gif . Atleast the gun printed by Defence Distributed used real bullets. So one could have a gun and bullets, but wont be able to do much harm, because it would get detected. Undetectable weapons is very horrifying!! Still pleased to know that tech is progressing biggrin.gif

I think you are completely divorced from the reality of the situation.

Then again, so are most people...yet they still have the power to influence policy of things they can't even be bothered to spend five minutes understanding.
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Since you can fire almost anything from a shotgun, and since actual shotgun ammunition is exceedingly easy to manufacture/improvise, I'm wondering what relevance this article has to anything.

I've already explained why I felt it was relevant to the community here, as best I could without becoming overly political.
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Hi All,

"The projectile needs lead shot to be added to give it weight and it still requires a standard shotgun charge and shell case to fire".

So you are using smaller BBs to make shot sized BBs? Really!!!

Hmmm I wonder let's see $10k-$20K of ink (media), $3K for printer.................. Now if I could print out a Lamborghini Murcealago that would be about $23K for a $300K car, NOW THAT would be SOMETHING!!!!!

Have a great day!

3D printing is a placeholder technology. For all the hype, it's limits far exceed it's capabilities. The best DefDist could manage was a "gun-to-get-a-gun," exactly the same concept as the 1940's Liberator pistol from which theirs takes it's name. The biggest difference is that the original Liberator came already loaded. You can't 3D print a cartridge case, powder, or primer. And a plastic bullet(specifically solid nylon) needs to be shot from a magnum handgun to be at all effective, and even then only up to two meters or so.

No, 3D printing is here to set the stage for the true technological breakthrough that will redefine everything - nano-assembly. Atom-by-atom construction done by molecule-sized assembly bots. When you're building or dismantling on that scale it simply doesn't matter what material you're working with. Imagine the same setup as the 3D printer now, big box holding powder made up of various raw elements. Then you decide you want a cup of coffee, so one grows from the powder. Coffee finished you feel like some music so you have the machine make you a hardwood guitar already perfectly tuned in dadgad so you can play some Irish folk music. Then you decide you want to go diving off the coast, so you're going to need transportation... hmmm, something sporty, but a convertible, how about an improved 1955 Porsche 550 Spider? And going diving so going to need webbed feet and gills so lay down on the powder and take care of that....

That's what I mean by placeholder. A 3D printer can get you anything you want as long as what you want can be made from somewhat fragile plastic. It can print up metal shapes that then need to be finished in an oven(sintered), and which don't have the strength of the same part if cast, or machined from extruded stock/forging. But nano-assembly will cover literally every facet of human existence. It won't simply redefine manufacturing, it will redefine economics and material needs/wants, health care, procreation, fitness, gender identity(change every bit of DNA on a whim), and WAY too much to think of now or list. On the atomic level literally ANYTHING can be changed or constructed, at least theoretically.

And there's no way to control a technology like that, which is why the panic over 3D printing, for the powerful know what it actually is, a herald announcing the imminent arrival of a world in which their fortunes, their centuries of their families' entrenchment, and all of their scheming will amount to jack, diddly, squat.
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3D printing is a placeholder technology. For all the hype, it's limits far exceed it's capabilities. The best DefDist could manage was a "gun-to-get-a-gun," exactly the same concept as the 1940's Liberator pistol from which theirs takes it's name. The biggest difference is that the original Liberator came already loaded. You can't 3D print a cartridge case, powder, or primer. And a plastic bullet(specifically solid nylon) needs to be shot from a magnum handgun to be at all effective, and even then only up to two meters or so.

No, 3D printing is here to set the stage for the true technological breakthrough that will redefine everything - nano-assembly. Atom-by-atom construction done by molecule-sized assembly bots. When you're building or dismantling on that scale it simply doesn't matter what material you're working with. Imagine the same setup as the 3D printer now, big box holding powder made up of various raw elements. Then you decide you want a cup of coffee, so one grows from the powder. Coffee finished you feel like some music so you have the machine make you a hardwood guitar already perfectly tuned in dadgad so you can play some Irish folk music. Then you decide you want to go diving off the coast, so you're going to need transportation... hmmm, something sporty, but a convertible, how about an improved 1955 Porsche 550 Spider? And going diving so going to need webbed feet and gills so lay down on the powder and take care of that....

That's what I mean by placeholder. A 3D printer can get you anything you want as long as what you want can be made from somewhat fragile plastic. It can print up metal shapes that then need to be finished in an oven(sintered), and which don't have the strength of the same part if cast, or machined from extruded stock/forging. But nano-assembly will cover literally every facet of human existence. It won't simply redefine manufacturing, it will redefine economics and material needs/wants, health care, procreation, fitness, gender identity(change every bit of DNA on a whim), and WAY too much to think of now or list. On the atomic level literally ANYTHING can be changed or constructed, at least theoretically.

And there's no way to control a technology like that, which is why the panic over 3D printing, for the powerful know what it actually is, a herald announcing the imminent arrival of a world in which their fortunes, their centuries of their families' entrenchment, and all of their scheming will amount to jack, diddly, squat.

Nice post. ALMOST entirely correct. But these atoms you speak of, some have higher prices on them than others. So not all of the powerful will fall.
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The lack of fear of "self-replicating machines" is disturbing. Terminator anyone? It all seems like a good idea until they betray us... buttkick.gif
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Hi Jarhead,

You do realize I was kidding right, at least about the Lambo.
    
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Once someone dies from a printed gun bullet the government is going to stop all the fun
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This is all fear mongering that only works on those who have no experience with firearms.
    
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