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Bluray players are dead cheap these days. There's no need to buy a second hand console (plus Sony are anti consumers anyway)

Well I was suggesting the PS3 since it also makes streaming local content ( more HTPC vs standalone and do nothing else BluRay ) easy as cake. As well as being able to put a decent size hard drive in and load it up with ripped movies with ease. It's about as close to a HTPC as you can get without getting technical.
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Well I was suggesting the PS3 since it also makes streaming local content ( more HTPC vs standalone and do nothing else BluRay ) easy as cake. As well as being able to put a decent size hard drive in and load it up with ripped movies with ease. It's about as close to a HTPC as you can get without getting technical.

You can buy HTPCs off the shell if you want a non-technical solution. eg the Boxee Box and Plex. Plus streaming to the PS3 isn't easy as cake because PS3 only support MPEG codecs so if you want the same variety of content available on the PS3 then you need to set up transcoding.
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I'd agree if the goal is simply to make bluray playing possible for someone without tech savy then a normal standalone BDPlayer is best. If however the OP can get the blurays ripped onto a hard drive then something with XBMC would make a really nice HD HTPC.

But again there, there's no need for a PS3
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You can buy HTPCs off the shell if you want a non-technical solution. eg the Boxee Box and Plex. Plus streaming to the PS3 isn't easy as cake because PS3 only support MPEG codecs so if you want the same variety of content available on the PS3 then you need to set up transcoding.
But again there, there's no need for a PS3

Hmmm...I could have sworn in 2007 my friend was using his original model PS3 to play back other codec types in mkv containers. But it's been to long to know for sure...maybe it was just mpeg codecs in mkv containers and I recall incorrectly.

Yes there is no need for a PS3...outside the potential to have gaming. Though the PC master race would cry foul and since Linux has most of the source games available now you shouldn't pass up that opportunity. thumb.gif
     
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Hmmm...I could have sworn in 2007 my friend was using his original model PS3 to play back other codec types in mkv containers. But it's been to long to know for sure...maybe it was just mpeg codecs in mkv containers and I recall incorrectly.
The PS3 doesn't even support MKV containers. Your friend would have either been transcoding the content to his PS3 via a DLNA server, or running Linux with the Other OS option (but then any videos wouldn't have been hardware accelerated - so it's unlikely he'd be watching HD content.
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The PS3 doesn't even support MKV containers. Your friend would have either been transcoding the content to his PS3 via a DLNA server, or running Linux with the Other OS option (but then any videos wouldn't have been hardware accelerated - so it's unlikely he'd be watching HD content.

LOL. You know with how screwy my memory is I'm sure the reason I have memory associating mkv and PS3 might have been just because he ran into that problem. redface.gif
     
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I keep a network share open that's accessible to my PS3 filled with my compressed AVI's ( I also keep uncompressed images as well ) and I've never had a problem with it. Nor the 50 or so AVI's I have on the PS3's hard drive itself.

And seeing as most stand alone bluray players I can find are ranging in the 80-100++ range, I don't see why they would be any better than grabbing a second hand PS3 for cheap tongue.gif Just checked with the store around the corner from me and they have them for $75 right now with no controllers, $120 with 2 controllers. Would be pretty nice to grab one without the controllers and just get a $20 PS3 remote control for movie playback.

Boxee Box's in my searches seem to be anywhere from $150-230 ( doesn't give you bluray either )
Plex as well being a rather expensive solution and still no bluray player.

And again, using a computer be it Windows or Linux, playing a BluRay on them is downright annoying. So I fail to see the downside of a used PS3, which also allows for playing games if one so decides. as well as easily streamed content from Windows shares and local storage to keep more media if one so desires. And has a great BluRay player in it ( was the best at the time of release in terms of loading speed, reading speed, everything, and still remains to be one of the better ones out there ) that he can simply stick the bluray in and have it play automatically with no hassle.
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Since I found you HTPC guys, how well does this sort of thing handle 3D bluray movies? If using linux I imagine there is some free playback software available, however what about a windows solution?
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I keep a network share open that's accessible to my PS3 filled with my compressed AVI's ( I also keep uncompressed images as well ) and I've never had a problem with it. Nor the 50 or so AVI's I have on the PS3's hard drive itself.

And seeing as most stand alone bluray players I can find are ranging in the 80-100++ range, I don't see why they would be any better than grabbing a second hand PS3 for cheap tongue.gif Just checked with the store around the corner from me and they have them for $75 right now with no controllers, $120 with 2 controllers. Would be pretty nice to grab one without the controllers and just get a $20 PS3 remote control for movie playback.

Boxee Box's in my searches seem to be anywhere from $150-230 ( doesn't give you bluray either )
Plex as well being a rather expensive solution and still no bluray player.

And again, using a computer be it Windows or Linux, playing a BluRay on them is downright annoying. So I fail to see the downside of a used PS3, which also allows for playing games if one so decides. as well as easily streamed content from Windows shares and local storage to keep more media if one so desires. And has a great BluRay player in it ( was the best at the time of release in terms of loading speed, reading speed, everything, and still remains to be one of the better ones out there ) that he can simply stick the bluray in and have it play automatically with no hassle.

I can get a stand alone blu-ray player for under $80, and that is with out looking hard, PS3's second hand start around the $100 mark.

Second hand PS3's come with no warranty as well.
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I can get a stand alone blu-ray player for under $80, and that is with out looking hard, PS3's second hand start around the $100 mark.

Second hand PS3's come with no warranty as well.

And can that stand alone bluray player act as a full fledged HTPC, Netflix, Hulu, whatever other service one might use on an HTPC, Local content playback, Local network streams? smile.gif

Can any of the other options offered here work as both a Bluray and HTPC with above common HTPC usages? smile.gif

And can that standalone player fit your torrent needs?

And on top of that, can any of the options offered here so far be worked by the your wife who's technological level is unknown so I'm to assume it's average, maybe slightly above average because of having a techie husband, but still not high enough to warrant specific knowledge for Linux, and still a pain with Windows, or any other current alternative offered thus his question as to will she be able to work it.

I simply offered a solution that offers the best of every world imaginable without sacrificing on any level aside from maybe a bit of price ( who's going to argue over $20 for a solution that's clearly better suited than anything else currently suggested? Worth the price in convenience alone, imo. ) After he, the obvious more tech literate set up a simple Windows share that the PS3 can use, anyone, and I mean anyone, can hop on the PS3 and find what they're looking for with no problem ( also stems from that it's a relative common device these days ) and be good to go.

Now, whether or not you're partial to Sony or the PS3, it's ability for a consumption device / HTPC is not to be so easily put off.

And I hardly see the point in a warranty on most consumer electronics such as game consoles ( unless they're known to be plagued for things such as overheating ( XBOX360 RROD. ) ) And while early models of the PS3's had the "Yellow Light of Death" It's unlikely you would be in the market for such a PS3 when the Slim and super slim models are more common these days and aren't riddled with the YLOD. And most second hand shops will offer a warranty on their products. At least the ones I've been too across several states here in the U.S. do. At least a month to 60 days in most cases. Unless you buy from a pawn shop, at which most don't offer warranties.



A bit useless to keep reiterating the same stuff though, especially as you havn't ruled it an option or not. For ease of use ( to anyone, but most importantly those that don't know how to work a more proper HTPC, especially one with Linux, ) then I can't think of much of a better or more solid option myself.

So if you already have an HTPC set up for basic stuff and just want bluray playback, go with a stand alone player. If not, I highly believe the ps3 would be the best and easiest overall option for you and your wife. You're choice though.

Just my suggestion given your ( and your wife's ) needs. Maybe a bit more information from you for exactly you wish to do aside from Bluray playback and torrents...


Linux would be an option, but initial set up would be timely and frustrating to one who has little to no experience with it, as currently mentioned, Bluray playback has issues in Windows with having so few players and even fewer good ones, and Linux having no native support due to licensing issues as well, but rather a hack job of current options of which uses only publicly available keys for the bluray discs which means you'd be out of luck on newer discs and again when they change them again. Or you'd have to go the way of ripping the discs, and then playing back the file, time consuming and not really good for ease of use ( just putting the disc in and going ). For me, I can deal with these options and I do deal with them, and I've taken a lot of time to teach my gf how to as well, though I had originally switched her to Linux and taught her that as well, so she already had experience.

Linux would be the hobbyist option, not a set 'n go option.

Going the Windows route, you'd have to find a decent player ( I'm personally not fond of CyberLink myself ). It would be easy for her and you, as you both already know how to use Windows.

Install and be done with it option.

Or a PS3, I've already stated my stance on it.

Or a myriad of devices mentioned in this thread, of which none can do everything in one that a common HTPC would along with Blu Ray playback, and are also quite expensive.
Edited by Shrak - 5/27/13 at 9:25pm
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I keep a network share open that's accessible to my PS3 filled with my compressed AVI's ( I also keep uncompressed images as well ) and I've never had a problem with it. Nor the 50 or so AVI's I have on the PS3's hard drive itself.
Yeah, like I said, MPEG codecs are fine. It's the open codecs that don't work. Sony sit on the MPEG-LA board so they're obviously going to do what they can to lock people into their patents.
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And seeing as most stand alone bluray players I can find are ranging in the 80-100++ range, I don't see why they would be any better than grabbing a second hand PS3 for cheap tongue.gif Just checked with the store around the corner from me and they have them for $75 right now with no controllers, $120 with 2 controllers. Would be pretty nice to grab one without the controllers and just get a $20 PS3 remote control for movie playback.
Where I am, bluray players are cheaper.
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Boxee Box's in my searches seem to be anywhere from $150-230 ( doesn't give you bluray either )
Plex as well being a rather expensive solution and still no bluray player.
I've not spent a great deal of time looking into HTPC solutions (well any time at all - to be honest), but I'm sure there are ones with bluray on.
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And again, using a computer be it Windows or Linux, playing a BluRay on them is downright annoying.
Why? I have a £5 IR remote for my HTPC and use it just like I would a TV or DVD player.
XBMC (as well as it's derivatives like Boxee) hand apps for smart phones / tablets that mean you can use them as remote controls as well (what actually works really well - often I prefer it to using a standard remote).
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So I fail to see the downside of a used PS3, which also allows for playing games if one so decides.
1) it's Sony. Sony are anti-consumer bastards.
2) I could load up games on my HTPC if I wanted.
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as well as easily streamed content from Windows shares and local storage to keep more media if one so desires.
1) it's not technically streaming
2) it only works with MPEG formats
3) all HTPCs can do that. Even a $25 RaspPi.
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And has a great BluRay player in it ( was the best at the time of release in terms of loading speed, reading speed, everything, and still remains to be one of the better ones out there ) that he can simply stick the bluray in and have it play automatically with no hassle.
That's literally the only thing the PS3 has in it's favor.

I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. And I know that a lot of my reasons against the PS3 are down to the fact it's owned by Sony. But since they're one of the worst corporations for treating their customers like crap (worse than MS and Apple combined), I'd rather not pay money -neither directly nor 2nd hand- to corporations that actively seek out to destroy consumer freedoms.
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