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these are technically mainstream chips and the LGA 2011 is called enthusiast..
it's true.

2011 is called for crazy, and these who needs servers, or 3+ GFX cards. 3770K are in P1 segment. (which is abbreviation for premium performance) Mainstream is abbreviated MS1,MS2, and you have i5 chips in that bracket.

http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Intel-CPU-Roadmap-2013_1.jpg
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9 more days till Haswell comes out so biggrin.gif. Intel has improved their power consumption and the graphics to 4600.
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2011 is called for crazy, and these who needs servers, or 3+ GFX cards. 3770K are in P1 segment. (which is abbreviation for premium performance) Mainstream is abbreviated MS1,MS2, and you have i5 chips in that bracket.

http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Intel-CPU-Roadmap-2013_1.jpg
Not really, the x79 chipset lacks some features that server guys really want. x79 is just a castrated version of C606. x79 2011 is nothing but premium over vs 1155, C606 is what server people want.
Edited by L36 - 5/25/13 at 6:50pm
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Regardless of what Intel calls 4770k and 4670k, they're on a platform where the only effect power consumption has on the end user is a few dollars saved a year compared to IB, and the only effect iGPU has on end user of those chips is that it gets disabled and takes up die space.

You can beat around the bush and throw marketing slides about what Intel wants you to call 4770k and 4670k, but if it really is a "mainstream" chip, it's the kind of chip you'd recommend to a "mainstream" user, IE someone who uses facebook and farmville is the most demanding game they play.

I think that's overkill and mainstream chips are probably still dual core Intels or 2 module AMDs and anything beyond that is enthusiast, I would say, at least in regards to the entire market.

Maybe a mainstream gaming desktop if you want to go that far, but to call what Intel calls mainstream gaming not enthusiast seems a mistake to me.

Specially considering this forum is full of people who call themselves enthusiast and have 3770k/3570k/etc and now they are defending Intel and saying their level of chip isn't really enthusiast level and that they, by extension, aren't actually really enthusiast, just mainstream computer users.

As far as I am concerned, even someone with a lowly old Pentium Celeron or Opteron that's overclocked hardcore is an enthusiast. Someone who buys a quad core Alienware gaming laptop is not. That's how I feel about it but I guess if you guys want to change the definition of enthusiast to fit Intel's marketing slides where any average Joe who buys an EE CPU is an enthusiast and anyone who overclocks, builds their own system, or is enthusiastic about new hardware is just a "mainstream guy on a mainstream computer" you're more than welcome to and we can stop this discussion.
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Regardless of what Intel calls 4770k and 4670k, they're on a platform where the only effect power consumption has on the end user is a few dollars saved a year compared to IB, and the only effect iGPU has on end user of those chips is that it gets disabled and takes up die space.

You can beat around the bush and throw marketing slides about what Intel wants you to call 4770k and 4670k, but if it really is a "mainstream" chip, it's the kind of chip you'd recommend to a "mainstream" user, IE someone who uses facebook and farmville is the most demanding game they play.

I think that's overkill and mainstream chips are probably still dual core Intels or 2 module AMDs and anything beyond that is enthusiast, I would say, at least in regards to the entire market.

Maybe a mainstream gaming desktop if you want to go that far, but to call what Intel calls mainstream gaming not enthusiast seems a mistake to me.

Specially considering this forum is full of people who call themselves enthusiast and have 3770k/3570k/etc and now they are defending Intel and saying their level of chip isn't really enthusiast level and that they, by extension, aren't actually really enthusiast, just mainstream computer users.

As far as I am concerned, even someone with a lowly old Pentium Celeron or Opteron that's overclocked hardcore is an enthusiast. Someone who buys a quad core Alienware gaming laptop is not. That's how I feel about it but I guess if you guys want to change the definition of enthusiast to fit Intel's marketing slides where any average Joe who buys an EE CPU is an enthusiast and anyone who overclocks, builds their own system, or is enthusiastic about new hardware is just a "mainstream guy on a mainstream computer" you're more than welcome to and we can stop this discussion.
Ivy Bridge is mainstream in a sense that it has a reasonably large product selection when compared to 2011. You have much bigger CPU selection and cheap dual core CPUs that would apply to those facebook users. 2011 has only 3 CPUs which are all fast, packed with cores and most of the extra features Intel offers in Xeon class CPUs. Same suit follows haswell.
TLDR; Intel calls things extreme if they have extreame prices.
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Sdlvx.. you miss the point altogether; in that a 4670k is for mainstream enthusiasts. Its igpu is powerful enough to game with in full HD.. out of the box speed is very good. Pair it with a decent itx or mAtx mobo and ram and you dont even need a gpu.

While your analogy of whats old but good, is logical.. its not what the average consumer goes for: which is prebuilt, integrated systems. Now they can have one that is cooler, quieter, faster and has greater gpu performance. ..all while spinning the meter a bit less.

That is exactly what consumers will spend money to have.. its like having your cake and eating a bit too..
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Regardless of what Intel calls 4770k and 4670k, they're on a platform where the only effect power consumption has on the end user is a few dollars saved a year compared to IB, and the only effect iGPU has on end user of those chips is that it gets disabled and takes up die space.

You can beat around the bush and throw marketing slides about what Intel wants you to call 4770k and 4670k, but if it really is a "mainstream" chip, it's the kind of chip you'd recommend to a "mainstream" user, IE someone who uses facebook and farmville is the most demanding game they play.

I think that's overkill and mainstream chips are probably still dual core Intels or 2 module AMDs and anything beyond that is enthusiast, I would say, at least in regards to the entire market.

Maybe a mainstream gaming desktop if you want to go that far, but to call what Intel calls mainstream gaming not enthusiast seems a mistake to me.

Specially considering this forum is full of people who call themselves enthusiast and have 3770k/3570k/etc and now they are defending Intel and saying their level of chip isn't really enthusiast level and that they, by extension, aren't actually really enthusiast, just mainstream computer users.

As far as I am concerned, even someone with a lowly old Pentium Celeron or Opteron that's overclocked hardcore is an enthusiast. Someone who buys a quad core Alienware gaming laptop is not. That's how I feel about it but I guess if you guys want to change the definition of enthusiast to fit Intel's marketing slides where any average Joe who buys an EE CPU is an enthusiast and anyone who overclocks, builds their own system, or is enthusiastic about new hardware is just a "mainstream guy on a mainstream computer" you're more than welcome to and we can stop this discussion.

ok, how about this, if you think that haswell is a flop then so be it, it's a flop for you. go get an fx 8350, oh wait..., you already have one!!! that's why!!!

somebody is trying to justify his purchase by hating the competition!
Edited by ghostrider85 - 5/25/13 at 7:33pm
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People just do not understand there is a benefit to having the better integrated graphics. People are crazy if they think Intel will just let AMD push HSA and not have something in the works in case it takes off, which we should all hope it does. CPU's are no longer just the basic processor they've always been, with app acceleration growing like it is Intel will be ready. I think it's great how much they're igpu's have improved in just a few generations. I don't think AMD has made the gains Intel has over the last few years, at the rate they are closing the gap we may be running Intel gpu's before we know it. biggrin.gif
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People just do not understand there is a benefit to having the better integrated graphics. People are crazy if they think Intel will just let AMD push HSA and not have something in the works in case it takes off, which we should all hope it does. CPU's are no longer just the basic processor they've always been, with app acceleration growing like it is Intel will be ready. I think it's great how much they're igpu's have improved in just a few generations. I don't think AMD has made the gains Intel has over the last few years, at the rate they are closing the gap we may be running Intel gpu's before we know it. biggrin.gif

this! intel thinks that hsa is the future, they won't gonna let amd do it first/better.
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Sdlvx.. you miss the point altogether; in that a 4670k is for mainstream enthusiasts. Its igpu is powerful enough to game with in full HD.. out of the box speed is very good

You mean equal to GT 630. When I said I want to get gaming card GT 640 people laughed. Now people are saying that equivalent GT 630 is sufficient for some strange stuff like HD gaming whatever that means. (Well games on PC were always using resolution as numbers, HD is misnomer from movies.)
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