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Problem is that these arent "Enthusiast" chips. They're mainstream and intel doesnt care about the 1% of us who want all out power. If they did they'd give us a mainstream 8 core for 250 dollars

4770k is not an enthusiast chip? 4670k is not an enthusiast chip? Please explain how. I thought the idea of offering unlocked CPU on a platform with wide PCIe was enthusiast. Why would Intel bother releasing Haswell on anything beyond BGA for mobile if it didn't care about "enthusiasts"?
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Problem is that these arent "Enthusiast" chips. They're mainstream and intel doesnt care about the 1% of us who want all out power. If they did they'd give us a mainstream 8 core for 250 dollars

4770k is not an enthusiast chip? 4670k is not an enthusiast chip? Please explain how. I thought the idea of offering unlocked CPU on a platform with wide PCIe was enthusiast. Why would Intel bother releasing Haswell on anything beyond BGA for mobile if it didn't care about "enthusiasts"?
these are technically mainstream chips and the LGA 2011 is called enthusiast..
it's true.
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Did you read my post? Can you explain to me how better iGPU and lower power consumption helps us, the enthusiasts? Is lower power consumption going to increase your render times? Is it going to give you more FPS? Is it going to let you fold more?

It's a disaster, and a complete failure (for us). You're arguing with me but all I'm seeing is regurgitation of marketing slides about power consumption and iGPU. It's not a Bulldozer or Netburst level event but two years for these kinds of gains are laughable.

How is it better than Ivy? It's barely better nearly all of the time. We waited two years for a new architecture and we got barely any improvement at all.

And please, don't bring up that useless marketing IPC number. You can sit here and go "BUT BD HAD WORSE IPC!!" but BD was a high frequency low IPC design and Phenom wasn't. They have the same performance goals but a different formula to reach it.

Look at this, we got skunked:

Yeah sucks for us enthusiasts because they did not increased the IPC so much, But that's hardly a flop. At worse it performs the same as ivy, it's not bad.
Haswell will replace ivy because it has the same performance plus extras, can you say the same with bulldozer? No.

If someone is to give you haswel or ivy, which one would you chose? What about if 6 core phenom ii or 6 corr bulldozer? See what I'm saying?
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Did you read my post? Can you explain to me how better iGPU and lower power consumption helps us, the enthusiasts? Is lower power consumption going to increase your render times? Is it going to give you more FPS? Is it going to let you fold more?

It's a disaster, and a complete failure (for us). You're arguing with me but all I'm seeing is regurgitation of marketing slides about power consumption and iGPU. It's not a Bulldozer or Netburst level event but two years for these kinds of gains are laughable.

How is it better than Ivy? It's barely better nearly all of the time. We waited two years for a new architecture and we got barely any improvement at all.

And please, don't bring up that useless marketing IPC number. You can sit here and go "BUT BD HAD WORSE IPC!!" but BD was a high frequency low IPC design and Phenom wasn't. They have the same performance goals but a different formula to reach it.

Look at this, we got skunked:

Better iGPU & lower power consumption mean nothing to me, but as an enthusiast as long as things at least improve I won't be unhappy. Sandy bridge overclocks better than bloomfield & scores increased, ivy bridge overclocks better than sandy bridge & scores increased, as long as haswell overclocks better than ivy & scores increase I won't be too displeased. Huge increases would be nicer, but as long as things are improving it's something, & new toys to play with are fun.
    
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4770k is not an enthusiast chip? 4670k is not an enthusiast chip? Please explain how. I thought the idea of offering unlocked CPU on a platform with wide PCIe was enthusiast. Why would Intel bother releasing Haswell on anything beyond BGA for mobile if it didn't care about "enthusiasts"?

4770K is a mainstream processor. The "Enthusiast" processors are on 2011

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Stay Puft - I already said that... thumb.gif
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4770k is not an enthusiast chip? 4670k is not an enthusiast chip? Please explain how. I thought the idea of offering unlocked CPU on a platform with wide PCIe was enthusiast. Why would Intel bother releasing Haswell on anything beyond BGA for mobile if it didn't care about "enthusiasts"?

Intel has two consumer lines: "Mainstream" (e.g. Haswell's i7-4770K and its Z87 chipset) and "Enthusiast" (e.g. Sandy Bridge-E's i7-3930K and its X79 chipset). Differences between the platforms include dual-channel vs. quad-channel RAM and number of physical cores available.

However, your confusion is understandable since AMD doesn't have anything consumer-oriented that compares in general to a mainstream quad-core i7, let alone the i7-3930K with its 6 physical cores. As such, it would likely be too depressing for AMDroids to even contemplate Intel's "Enthusiast" line.
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Stay Puft - I already said that... thumb.gif

Well, you should have patented it, biggrin.gif
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It's amazing how far the standard for "disaster" and "failure" have fallen - to the point that modest improvements are a disastrous failure. Haswell may be disappointing, but it's a little early to call it a failure. Get some perspective people.
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4770K is a mainstream processor. The "Enthusiast" processors are on 2011

If we were to put price aside, 4770K would be getting compared to 5800K.

8350 compared to 3930K or 3960X.

That's IF we were to put price aside. wink.gif
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