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This seems good but I don't really see apple adopting to amd anytime soon or they coiuld make an ipad pro with mac osx on it redface.gif

They would make a killing profit wise, pricing it over the Surface Pro but costing less to manufacture biggrin.gif
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That depends on what kind of performance you think you'll get with this.


Note, this is from it's bigger brother A6-1450 (8-15 tdp) vs this 5 watt apu



I don't know how much worse this APU will do compared to the A6, but it's not even close to a surface pro.

But it might be way cheaper...I can't justify the price of the surface pro, but I also can't justify spending 300 on an android tablet.
I want a full fledged desktop Os and a thing that can play proper games...
This would be a dream biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by ivanlabrie View Post

They would make a killing profit wise, pricing it over the Surface Pro but costing less to manufacture biggrin.gif
But it might be way cheaper...I can't justify the price of the surface pro, but I also can't justify spending 300 on an android tablet.
I want a full fledged desktop Os and a thing that can play proper games...
This would be a dream biggrin.gif

speaking of price, here's the conclusion from tomshardware's review of the A4-5000
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On one hand, the Kabini-based A4-5000 doesn't fare very well when it comes to charting frame rates in games and the time it takes to complete our wide range of desktop workloads. It gets beaten by the dual-core Pentium B960 in every discipline except gaming. But the efficiency bar tells a very different story. Even if you can get Pentium B960-based notebooks fairly inexpensively, you certainly cannot expect them to deliver great battery life with that 35 W processor in there.

So what about the Core i3-3217U, a 17 W processor? Surely that one is a more virile competitor, and not much more expensive than the Pentium. Core i3's on-die HD Graphics 4000 engine with its 16 EUs stomps all over the A4's 128 ALUs, despite the backing of AMD's capable Graphics Core Next architecture. Now, AMD claims that Kabini isn't meant to go up against Core i3. But we found notebooks with this exact CPU selling for as little as $360 on Newegg. It may turn out that the free market doesn't let AMD choose which Intel-based platforms its Kabini-based APUs contend with.

Fortunately, the A4-5000 roughly matched the Core i3-3217U's efficiency. More than likely the A4 is going to give you slightly better battery life at the expense of performance. The bad news for AMD is that 17 W CPUs from Intel already pin Kabini into the budget notebook space, and that's before an onslaught of Haswell-based parts from the top and Silvermont-based options down below.


Truth be told, though Kabini isn't the solution that has us most interested.
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post #23 of 52
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As for gaming on this tablet (the "x86 grunt"), we all know how much intel's iGPU sucks for gaming, and hate on it. From what I can gather, the A4-1200 is slower than the A6-1450. How much slower, I don't know. But for comparison, here's how the A6-1450 compared to the HD4000.

(low settings)
◾BioShock Infinite: Ivy 44% faster
◾Tomb Raider: Ivy 93% faster
◾Crysis 3: Ivy 138% faster
◾Hitman: Absolution: Ivy 44% faster
◾COD: BO: Ivy 61% faster
◾Dishonored: Ivy 78% faster
◾Counter Strike: Go (they didn't included HD4000): HD3000: 307% faster
◾Sleeping Dogs: Ivy 42% faster
◾Dirt Showdown: (HD4000 not included): HD3000 95% faster
◾Diablo 3: Ivy 85% faster
◾Anno 2070: Ivy 40% faster
◾Skyrim: HD3000: 33% faster
◾Battlefield 3: Ivy 56%


Not to say that one is better than another, just grounding these facts in reality that better represent what these specs mean.

Thanks, so basically stick with surface pro?
I should game.
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Those stats might look telling, but we can't forget that this is a 5W chip that is actually competing with clovertaim/baytrail atom chips, not ivy bridge or anything similar.

This chip is for tablets focused on being lightweight, portable and slender, while having a more than respectable battery life that matches or defeats arm devices.


If you are happy with a surface pro in terms of its performance, then yes stick with it.

If you find that, well you're not actually using its performance (if say you end up using it for internet and media and not much more) and you'd happily sacrifice it so that its battery will last longer, then the lower powered chips would be better.
Edited by GrizzleBoy - 5/25/13 at 7:11am
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Those stats might look telling, but we can't forget that this is a 5W chip that is actually competing with clovertaim/baytrail atom chips, not ivy bridge or anything similar.

This chip is for tablets focused on being lightweight, portable and slender, while having a more than respectable battery life that matches or defeats arm devices.


If you are happy with a surface pro in terms of its performance, then yes stick with it.

If you find that, well you're not actually using its performance (if say you end up using it for internet and media and not much more) and you'd happily sacrifice it so that its battery will last longer, then the lower powered chips would be better.

Agreed, I only want to play Ragnarok Online 1 and browse, and use regular Win 8 on it... thumb.gif
Paired with my phone for 3g connectivity it would be a GREAT buy to increase productivity and monitor my stock lol
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@lacrossewacker

A6-1450 "Temash" :
- TDP 8-15watts
- maximum load/power consumption 22 watts

i5 3317U "Ivy Bridge" :
- TDP 17 watts(plus 4 watts for on-board FCH)
- maximum load/power consumption 40+ watts

"Temash" is against Atom, there are atoms with TDP of 10 watts.
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@lacrossewacker

A6-1450 "Temash" :
- TDP 8-15watts
- maximum load/power consumption 22 watts

i5 3317U "Ivy Bridge" :
- TDP 17 watts(plus 4 watts for on-board FCH)
- maximum load/power consumption 40+ watts

"Temash" is against Atom, there are atoms with TDP of 10 watts.

during web browsing and video playback intel's offering uses 2 more watts. When it comes to gaming....well while Intel's gaming performance doesn't last as long it's better than the hours of slideshow action from the APU.



However, when it comes to productivity, the winner is clear.



These are with slightly better AMD APU's, so you can only expect worse from anything less.

As toms hadware said, they're going to be compared because the price points are the same.

3 options

Great performance with good battery life (intel)
Bad performance with great performance (amd)
Wait for haswell/Bay trail to improve on their already stellar performance. (common sense)

Can't compare devices on watts alone since that's not telling of the actual experience.
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A6-1450 "Temash" :
- TDP 8-15watts
- maximum load/power consumption 22 watts

i5 3317U "Ivy Bridge" :
- TDP 17 watts(plus 4 watts for on-board FCH)
- maximum load/power consumption 40+ watts

"Temash" is against Atom, there are atoms with TDP of 10 watts.

When you take into account notebooks with the same screen size as the acer tested (11.6'), max power consumption is more like 30-35 watts for ivy bridge ultrabooks. Of course, this is with a notebook that has the lower power consumption temash chips, so expect the power consumption difference to decrease significantly with kabini.
 
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post #29 of 52
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Quoting Toms Hardware...! You fail miserably... doh.gif

Anandtech review and benchmarks of A4-5000:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6981/the-kabini-deal-can-amd-improve-the-quality-of-mainstream-pcs-with-its-latest-apu

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6974/amd-kabini-review

A4-5000 is not competing against i3 ULV's, its A6-5200...

A6-5200 Kabini 2Ghz Radeon HD 8400G
Cinebench 11.5 CPU - 0.5 Single/2.0 Multi
Diablo 3 - 1366x768 Low 35-40FPS

A6-5200 price is miserable 60-80$ compared to i3 3217U price off whooping 225$ and that means for one i3 3217U CPU you can get 2-3 A6-5200 APU. Look at Bobcat, it was a smash hit with over 50M chips sold.

i3 3217U Ivy Bridge 1.8Ghz Intel HD 4000
Cinebench 11.5 CPU - 0.8 Single/1.8 Multi (HT gives 1/8 points per core)

I checked this involving games:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-4000.69168.0.html

i3 3217U results are better or worser... Depends on situation...

As for productivity, A6-5200 is 1/4 faster than A4-5000:

(^cut A4-5000 time for 1/4 and you will see A6-5200 estimated result^)
Edited by vampirr - 5/25/13 at 11:50am
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Because it's totally fair to compare a GTX 680 against a GTX Titan, and bash the 680 silly for its lack of performance.
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