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advice or slap in the face since i already bought all the gear, dumb ******* me. but oh well, delivery to brazil takes time.

right now, the loop is:

pump -> rad -> cpu -> pump

pump: XSPC D5 Vario
rad: XSPC RX360 - 3x120 XSPC fans in push
cpu block: XSPC Raystorm

can the D5 pump handle a 1x140 rad, gpu and nb added to that loop?

the new gear:
rad: Alphacool NexXxoS UT60 1x140
gpu: HEATKILLER® GPU-X³ 79X0 (on a MSI R7970-2PMD3GD5/OC)
nb: stock Asrock Z77 OC Formula block

what about the loop, would the setup below work fine?

pump -> rad 3x120 -> cpu -> nb -> rad 1x140 -> gpu -> pump

i intend to have 90CFM fans in push-pull on the rad 1x140, would that be enough to cool the R7970?

i'd also replace the stock XSPC fans for 80CFM fans in pull, and add 3x120 slim fans in push.

appreciate any comments!
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Presuming you've got the reservoir before the pump, right?

Loop order makes no discernible difference to perform, so order the loop so the tubes look nicest. That combination of radiators is plenty for CPU+GPU.

Not sure about using slim fans as push. For radiators you want high pressure, which slim fans can't do. Can get noisy if you use mismatched fans in push-pull.
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One 360 radiator will be perfectly fine to handle all three components. In your sig, it says you have the XSPC Dual Bay combo, does this mean you have two pumps as well? If so, you will have absolutely no issues at all. Get 4x Scythe Gentle Typhoon AP15 fan's. They're great for radiators due to their high static pressure.

As for loop setup, I recommend: res/pump > 120 rad on bottom > gpu > nb > cpu > 360 rad > res/pump

Or you could go this route (if space applicable): pump/res > gpu > 120 rad at rear > nb > cpu > 360rad > pump/res

Personally, I'm not a ver big fan of Drivebay res/pump combos. Leave the loop system all weird (imho). Especially the res > gpu. To much wasted tubing going this route.

Hope this helped ya. thumb.gif
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Presuming you've got the reservoir before the pump, right?

Loop order makes no discernible difference to perform, so order the loop so the tubes look nicest. That combination of radiators is plenty for CPU+GPU.

Not sure about using slim fans as push. For radiators you want high pressure, which slim fans can't do. Can get noisy if you use mismatched fans in push-pull.

it's a res/pump combo, so yeah.

yeah, that's what i read everywhere about the loop, just wanted confirmation i guess.

i might be confusing pull and push, so just to be clear:

push = positioned UNDER the rad, pushing air through it.
pull = positioned ON TOP of the rad, pushing air out of it.

is that right?

so, the slim thing is, i don't want to have the rad mounted outside the case (Corsair 800D), and i'm quite sure push/pull with 30mm deep fans won't fit with the rad mounted on top inside the case.
thx for the tip about the mismatching, hadn't realized that.
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One 360 radiator will be perfectly fine to handle all three components. In your sig, it says you have the XSPC Dual Bay combo, does this mean you have two pumps as well? If so, you will have absolutely no issues at all. Get 4x Scythe Gentle Typhoon AP15 fan's. They're great for radiators due to their high static pressure.

it's dual bay but not dual pump, unfortunely tongue.gif
AP15's are waaaaay expensive here. i'm thinking of going with Aerocool Shark 120mm (82.6 CFM, 26.5dBA, 1500RPM).
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As for loop setup, I recommend: res/pump > 120 rad on bottom > gpu > nb > cpu > 360 rad > res/pump

Or you could go this route (if space applicable): pump/res > gpu > 120 rad at rear > nb > cpu > 360rad > pump/res

Personally, I'm not a ver big fan of Drivebay res/pump combos. Leave the loop system all weird (imho). Especially the res > gpu. To much wasted tubing going this route.

Hope this helped ya. thumb.gif

i want to keep the rads inside the case, for noise cancellation's sake, but i'm not quite sure it will be possible. 140 rad inside or outside at the rear is the idea, definetely.
hopefully i'll manage to have it inside somehow.
yeah, i didn't realize the drivebay res/pump combo would make the loop a bit weird, only thought it was way more practical. it is my first loop, so tongue.gif
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Hey man, if your going to turn your rig into a watercooled rig, get it right the first time. No regrets on anything!thumb.gif What I mean by this is make your setup the way you want it to look, if it's not how you imagined it, somethings gotta change. wink.gif

A tube reservoir with the MCP 655 would look quite nice in that 800D.
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push = positioned UNDER the rad, pushing air through it.
pull = positioned ON TOP of the rad, pushing air out of it.

is that right?

Not quite, it's more simple than that. Push just means pushing air through, and pull means pulling air out of the rad. Doesn't matter which is on top or under. The terms used for whether a rad/fan is pulling air from outside the case or from inside the case are intake and exhaust respectively. Sometimes people also talk about positive pressure which is broadly synonymous with having more intake fans pulling air into the case than fans exhausting out of it.
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Hey man, if your going to turn your rig into a watercooled rig, get it right the first time. No regrets on anything!thumb.gif What I mean by this is make your setup the way you want it to look, if it's not how you imagined it, somethings gotta change. wink.gif

A tube reservoir with the MCP 655 would look quite nice in that 800D.

it's already watercooler biggrin.gif i'm upgrading it, adding other components into the loop.
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Not quite, it's more simple than that. Push just means pushing air through, and pull means pulling air out of the rad. Doesn't matter which is on top or under. The terms used for whether a rad/fan is pulling air from outside the case or from inside the case are intake and exhaust respectively. Sometimes people also talk about positive pressure which is broadly synonymous with having more intake fans pulling air into the case than fans exhausting out of it.

yeah, no, i'm used to the intake/exhaust and positive/negative pressure concepts. it's just that the words push and pull always confuse me, cause pull means "puxar" in portuguese even though it sounds closer to push haha

anyway, i'll research more on the fans front in brazilian forums, so i can get advice focused on our fan market.

but again, thanks for the tips.
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