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I am just trying to say a plain I5 3570k without hyperthreading will be lacking once heavy multithreading and multithreaded rendering are fully implemented which is the future and is coming soon with next gen consoles leading the way using both these very heavily implimented into the game design / programming / coding .

i wasnt spouting off about all Intel chips just pointing out the issue with a plane quad core cpu when heavy multithreading / multithreaded rendering are involved.


how is that a upgrade in most cases add to its on a dead socket the AMD AM3+ will still be used on the steamroller aka a non dead socket with later potential.

I also want to point out i am not biased either way i just dont like how everyone here bashes the AMD FX 8350 / 8320 like it is the ugly step child of the CPU world it still performs pretty well and has alot of overclocking potential and isnt a dead socket so has room for another upgrade later on.

I like Intel also but i just dont like how this website in general is way to Intel fanboyish period im sorry but in general there is very little real life difference performance wise in todays games between the AMD FX 8350 and I5 3570k but there are also not many games out that fully utilize the AMD FX'x archetecture or even utilize all its cores but the future will bring more optimizations / and utilize more cores so that will leverage the benefit of the quad I5 3570k later on which has no upgrade path yet the AMD can get a easy %10 or so boost later by just adding a steamroller later on and selling the 8320 / 8350 and spending a slight amount of side cash.

as for the haswell thing it has been tested and offers very little performance boost of present Intel cpu's out.

Quite a few games already make use of 8 threads or more, and in none of them does any FX chip pull ahead of 4 intel cores significantly, or even slightly at best.
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I am just trying to say a plain I5 3570k without hyperthreading will be lacking once heavy multithreading and multithreaded rendering are fully implemented which is the future and is coming soon with next gen consoles leading the way using both these very heavily implimented into the game design / programming / coding .

i wasnt spouting off about all Intel chips just pointing out the issue with a plane quad core cpu when heavy multithreading / multithreaded rendering are involved.

how is that a upgrade in most cases add to its on a dead socket the AMD AM3+ will still be used on the steamroller aka a non dead socket with later potential.

Somebody posted about how with SB the i5-2500k was the hot ticket item, but with IB i7-3770k was is all the rage. The big diff being HT (+ some more caching which is generally viewed as a smaller diff). I think the intel answer to the "what about when more multithreading happens in games" question is HT, and I think thats why i7 is more popular between IB and SB generations. If that's right, I'd expect that trend to continue with Haswell too.

Eat moar core smile.gif

Yes but they are recomending the I5 3570k without hyperthreading over the AMD FX 8350 8core which is the whole issue with me when it comes to heavy multi threaded / multithreaded rendering the I5 3570k is already found lacking so suggesting it for future is not wise advise is all im saying.
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I am just trying to say a plain I5 3570k without hyperthreading will be lacking once heavy multithreading and multithreaded rendering are fully implemented which is the future and is coming soon with next gen consoles leading the way using both these very heavily implimented into the game design / programming / coding .

i wasnt spouting off about all Intel chips just pointing out the issue with a plane quad core cpu when heavy multithreading / multithreaded rendering are involved.


how is that a upgrade in most cases add to its on a dead socket the AMD AM3+ will still be used on the steamroller aka a non dead socket with later potential.

I also want to point out i am not biased either way i just dont like how everyone here bashes the AMD FX 8350 / 8320 like it is the ugly step child of the CPU world it still performs pretty well and has alot of overclocking potential and isnt a dead socket so has room for another upgrade later on.

I like Intel also but i just dont like how this website in general is way to Intel fanboyish period im sorry but in general there is very little real life difference performance wise in todays games between the AMD FX 8350 and I5 3570k but there are also not many games out that fully utilize the AMD FX'x archetecture or even utilize all its cores but the future will bring more optimizations / and utilize more cores so that will leverage the benefit of the quad I5 3570k later on which has no upgrade path yet the AMD can get a easy %10 or so boost later by just adding a steamroller later on and selling the 8320 / 8350 and spending a slight amount of side cash.

as for the haswell thing it has been tested and offers very little performance boost of present Intel cpu's out.

Quite a few games already make use of 8 threads or more, and in none of them does any FX chip pull ahead of 4 intel cores significantly, or even slightly at best.

the games out now using 8 cores do not also use multi threaded rendering because it is not cost effective to add into the programming of the games due to the old consoles limiting it with dx9 only dx11 brings true multi threaded rendering and the games we see now for PC with DX11-DX11.1 are only seeing part of the benefit or ability of DX11 when it comes to multi threaded rendering and actual multi threaded capability with games.
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i5 is not future proofed enough for me, I'd get an i7... but then again, that's how i tilted ~3 years ago
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some people should check out this site...most recent comprehensive testing of 45 different processors across numerous CPU tests.

http://us.hardware.info/reviews/4365/45-processor-group-test-from-intel-celeron-to-core-i7-from-amd-a4-to-fx


Needless to say, the i7 wins most of everything, but that's no surprise and it's priced accordingly
A helpful contribution to the OP , thank you
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It won by a margin of 12 points with the superior card with a memory overclock. What of the CPU score? Wonder why that was left out ?
I ran out of real estate on my screen for the snip,simple as that- sorry

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I think it is time for you to just shut up...

Comparing a 7870 to a 7970 overclocked or not is pathetic.

The score the FX chip got is from the superior GPU, come back when you can bench properly, let alone get a grip of how things work with CPU's.

Not pathetic, helpful to the OP - The OP wanted advice on what to purchase, the price of the cpu and gpu together in that comparison is nearly identical * other than people fortunate enough to live next to MC , which the OP is not that lucky* . I posted the comparison as an illustration of the options he had to attain similar performance , for the same money . I couldn't find a comparison to the I 5 haswell he was considering , so I tried to post something useful.
There are a lot of situations these days where the games people like to play , at the resolutions they like to play them at, are gpu bound. It's possible that a consumers money could be better spent on a higher end GPU solution than on the CPU.
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So 7870 with 256-bit bus, and just everything lower spec than a 7970 is fair....right......OK.....

No CPU scores.

I am not sure how i can say this is fair? LOL
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well haswell was released and so were alot of reviews and hands on testing it was minimal perfomance increase over previous generation to point it at best got %10 increase and on average was more like 2%-3% and the overclockability actualy went lower than previous generation and the things run insanely hot when overclocked.
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well haswell was released and so were alot of reviews and hands on testing it was minimal perfomance increase over previous generation to point it at best got %10 increase and on average was more like 2%-3% and the overclockability actualy went lower than previous generation and the things run insanely hot when overclocked.

Haswell reviews are out. Haswell wont be out till midnight but dont worry. Im grabbing an OC formula and 4770K just so i can torture my fellow amd overclockers
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"run insanely hot when overclocked."

I lol'd at the low IQ...
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