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yes i know i perfectly agree about the 3770k or fx 8350 he is planning to do architectural design going to school to be an architect and such so the 8350 i believe will be a better deal since it shines in 3d rendering and video editing / encoding and such stuff that is where it shines and performs like a crackhead when offered crack pardon the analogy.

Terrible analogy man...

I agree that both can handle these tasks just fine but the i7 will be faster. i5 won't be far behind the FX, if at all...It will also game better than the FX. Overall, it[4670K or 3570K] is the better buy. If budget is super tight then I can recommend the FX but NOT the 8350 instead go with the 8320 for $50 less thumb.gif

yes i agree the 3770k would be better but again he doesnt live near a MC and is on a budget and doesnt want to skimp on the vitals so somewhere he will have to skimp so most logical place would be CPU without doing so much that it would affect things much for gaming and still will work well with rendering / encoding / editing and also live streaming and such the 8350 shines at all of these and only slightly performs behind the Intels in gaming again he also said he wasnt going hardcore into gaming just casual so why is it such a bad idea to get the 8350 and get best of both worlds for cheaper after all he is on a budget and doesnt want to skimp on the vitals like quality motherboard / PSU / hardrive .

I want to add haswell runs hot and also doesnt overclock very well once you get to around 4.2ghz most cant get above 4.2ghz-4.4ghz i have found to have stability issues also then when you get to 4.4ghz-4.6ghz stability / heat becomes a huge issue often wont even post or boot regardless of voltage or settings even with liguid cooling and highend liguid cooling at that alot say to delid them i have the mindset this is a Intel production issue why should i risk things like taking a hammer to the CPU in a vise or risk cutting into the PCB of the CPU with a razor blade and ruining it to fix Intels %$#* up.

look around the test samples they sent out overclocked well but retail versions were crap and ran hot enough to be called nuclear reactors and needed insane voltage to get any clocks period even with deliding so to sum it up the haswell should for around if lucky 10% of buyers hit around 4.6ghz+ 20% should get 4.4ghz+ others will be lucky to get over 4.2ghz or so i say again Intel %$#&ed up on this one and ruined it for the overclockers and general consumers period with the heat these things put out under load stock is crazy 15c-20c above stock Ivy bridge which is crazy this clearly shows an issue at stock settings mine i got to 4.2ghz on stock voltage under load on 212 evo hit 84c under load for 3 hours that is not acceptable in my eyes i had to put it on liquid to load it up on stock voltage i see that a unacceptable.

I want to point out mine was sent directly to me by Intel as a OEM package presale ( I7 4770k ) i have called them and talked to them they flat out said the chip was not designed for overclocking nor was it intended to be ran over stock settings so it wasnt theyre problem which i felt is BS.
Edited by rickcooperjr - 6/6/13 at 11:42am
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yes i agree the 3770k would be better but again he doesnt live near a MC and is on a budget and doesnt want to skimp on the vitals so somewhere he will have to skimp so most logical place would be CPU without doing so much that it would affect things much for gaming and still will work well with rendering / encoding / editing and also live streaming and such the 8350 shines at all of these and only slightly performs behind the Intels in gaming again he also said he wasnt going hardcore into gaming just casual so why is it such a bad idea to get the 8350 and get best of both worlds for cheaper after all he is on a budget and doesnt want to skimp on the vitals like quality motherboard / PSU / hardrive .

If he's really aiming for performance on the cheap the 8320 can be had for $40-$50 cheaper than the 8350. That would be the better deal otherwise the i5-3570K or -4670K are overall better options for a bit more[4670K] than the 8350. These are universal chips that excel at all tasks, not just one. Not being a fanboy but a realist.

Amazon is selling the 3570K and the FX-8350 for the same price. If you pick the AMD at that price point then clearly you are picking with your heart and not your head.
Edited by Bruennis - 6/6/13 at 12:04pm
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yes i agree the 3770k would be better but again he doesnt live near a MC and is on a budget and doesnt want to skimp on the vitals so somewhere he will have to skimp so most logical place would be CPU without doing so much that it would affect things much for gaming and still will work well with rendering / encoding / editing and also live streaming and such the 8350 shines at all of these and only slightly performs behind the Intels in gaming again he also said he wasnt going hardcore into gaming just casual so why is it such a bad idea to get the 8350 and get best of both worlds for cheaper after all he is on a budget and doesnt want to skimp on the vitals like quality motherboard / PSU / hardrive .

If he's really aiming for performance on the cheap the 8320 can be had for $40-$50 cheaper than the 8350. That would be the better deal otherwise the i5-3570K or -4670K are overall better options for a bit more[4670K] than the 8350. These are universal chips and excel at all tasks not just one. Not being a fanboy but a realist.

Amazon is selling the 3570K and the FX-8350 for the same price. If you pick the AMD at that price point then clearly you are picking with your heart and not your head.

I was just saying the 8350 because alot of the more recent 8320's have been far lowwer binned and dont tend to overclock to even 8350 lvl so for future ability to get a bit of an extra boost to go 8350 the 8320 is a great CPU but the 8350 is a higher binned chip which will meen alot more overclocking overhead for the addition if he wanted to do so or simply needs it later.

I believe AMD might be clearing out the low binned CPU's as of recently in the way of 8320 version meening less overclocking overhead for future or initial setup.
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There's absolutely no reason to buy a 8350 over a 8320 if you're on a budget. The OCing potential of the chips is so similar that for real life performance reasons the 8350 is a stupid buy.



Both are bad buys for gaming CPUs though. If you're looking for a CPU in the $200 range then go for the 4670K/3570K. Lower than that either buy a 2500K a used i7 920 and after that you can start looking at the FX6300 and so on.

Save on everything but the GPU and the CPU. save on the case, memory etc. But getting a relatively bad gaming CPU such as the 8350 that's not future proof (bottlenecks will just become worse with more GPU power) will just end up costing you more in the long run.
 
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I was just saying the 8350 because alot of the more recent 8320's have been far lowwer binned and dont tend to overclock to even 8350 lvl so for future ability to get a bit of an extra boost to go 8350 the 8320 is a great CPU but the 8350 is a higher binned chip which will meen alot more overclocking overhead for the addition if he wanted to do so or simply needs it later.

I'm sure you've visited the Vishera Owners' club. Most 8320s and 8350s with proper air or water cooling overclock about the same with luck being the major factor. There are obviously more 8350 samples doing 5GHz+ simply because more people buy the 8350 however it doesn't suggest whatsoever that the 8350 is higher binned. I also highly doubt OP will be investing in a custom water cooling setup while on a budget therefore whatever higher overclocking potential that MAY come with the FX-8350 is wasted.
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The 8350 is a beast and noone can deny that. But I would suggest you wait for Steamroller.
 
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The 8350 is a beast and noone can deny that. But I would suggest you wait for Steamroller.

Yeah I can. So can a lot of benchmarks. The IPC on the thing is pathetic. Plus it is a nuclear power plant.

It is not weak by any means but it is not beastly either. Its just 'not bad' if you're on a budget. Considering I live by a MC that sells 3770ks for $220 it was a non-issue. Performance per dollar amount the AMD squeeks by depending on the deal you can get (mobo bundles) but the actual performance considering beast mode the 3770k stomps the AMD no questions asked. Any real PC enthusiast will vouch for that.

All it really comes down to is this: Are you looking to get the best bang for your buck (AMD) or are you looking for raw performance (Intel)?

Either processor is more than capable for everyday use. I doubt you will see substantial benefits going to Intel if all you do is play CS GO or League of Legends most of the time. Even then, your GPU will bottleneck before your processor will on some of the newer games. For instance, my 3770k never gets even close to load when I run the newest games. My 7950, however, struggles at times. I opted for the 3770k because I run many VM's at once while streaming and having other background processes running. I needed substantial single threaded performance without sacrificing core count and multithreading. at a price of 220, I went Ivy over Bulldozer and did not look back.
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Yeah, 'beast' is a little too glorious. You've put it really well this way. AMD is pretty much '60% of the price of Intel with 80% of the performance'(when comparing it to a 3770K). Have a good one.
 
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8350 is really vfm and just slightly slower than i7
    
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