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you seed that I could use micro center but I don't live near one, I'd be driving for like 12 hours to reach one

The i5-3570k is ~$195 at Newegg.com right now with the promo code: EMCYTZT3486 . Which even after would still make it cheaper than the build rickcooperjr linked below you. And would also put it in the same pricing league as a comparable FX-8350 build.

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ok i will build it again but in a easier to read build

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/amd-cpu-fd8350frhkbox cpu amd fx 8350 $189.99 free s&h
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-motherboard-sabertooth990fxr20 asus sabertooth 990fx $178.98 free s&h
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http://pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-video-card-fx787acnfc xfx ati hd 7870 $199.99 after $20 mail in rebate free s&h
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/pc-power--cooling-power-supply-ppcmk3s750 PC power & cooling 750w $99.99 after $40 mail in rebate and promo code free s&h
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/xigmatek-case-cccae37bsu02 xigmatek asguard pro $44.99 free s&h

total of $977.92 no skimping all high quality highend good airflow and designed to last unlike previous build lined out biostar i wont touch for the life of me he also was skimping on the PSU not enough power for the hd 7870 + cpu + motherboard + cooling + hardrives + ram + towwer fans and so on the 550w PSU that was suggested would be well over 80% load from day one more near %100+ on 12v rail remember cpu + 7870 alone are under load around 350w not including the other fans / cooling / hardrives and rest of motherboard.

His budget is $900. You NEED a good high end 990FX board to consider getting a good 5Ghz overclock on your FX-8350. You don't need a super super high end motherboard to get a 4.5Ghz overclock on Intel's Z77. Your comment on Biostar shows how little you realize how much the motherboard on Z77 determines a CPU's overclock. The Biostar TZ77XE3 is very comparable to its more expensive Gigabyte cousin the UD3H and offers spectacular performance for its price.

Second off, a 550w is just flat out overkill for the build I linked. He wouldn't even be looking at 180-200w of use in normal gaming usage, overclocking included (CPU overclock on IB generally nets about 40-50w extra at full 100% load, and a general GPU overclock is going to add around the same. Utterly no reason for a 750w PSU in a build like this.

Also, your build is so far off the mark in terms of price and also includes a much worse GPU and worse budget case. It also doesn't include a mass storage drive.

i beg to differ about the 120w-200w draw the 7870 under load overclocked has been proven to draw near 200w alone so get your facts straight you forget that 50w-75w can be drawn off the pciE motherboard slot to feed the GPU so add 125w-175w from the actual 12v power connections to GPU learn to add and subtract before you rant off stuff like you just did the 3570k draws under load overclocked to 4.4ghz is known to be in excess of 125w-160w so no the 550w PSU is not overkill it is underkill and going to be easily overloaded given the VRMs on motherboard convert 12v power to the voltage needed for CPU / ram/ NB / SB and the pcie slot on motherboard for that side of powering the GPU along with main 12v power connection to GPU this is not accounting cooling /case fans / hardrives or general loss due to efficiency lost over time due to degredation of the PSU.


proof about your I5 3570k only drawing at 3.5ghz it draws 161w under load and at 5ghz it draws 267w http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2012/05/01/intel-core-i5-3570k-cpu-review/7

regardless you dont skimp or cut it close on the PSU it is the lifeblood of the machine and if overloaded will feed dirty power into everything it is attached to or slowly eat the lifespan of the GPU / motherboard / hardrives and so on that is where also the max 80% load per rail comes in to help cushion the issue and also so the PSU doesnt overload and start feeding poisonous power to everything thats attached to it or worst case overload and turn into a lightning show inside case this happens trust me overloading a PSU triples that chance of catastrophic failure of PSU which usualy when this happens has arcs of AC power feed out internaly travels where DC power is suppose to be and well fries everything ask around about this type of failure almost always it involves a overloaded PSU and hell just youtube it or look on web it happens alot even with high end PSU's like corsair and so on.
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Do you guys think I should skip a SSD and get a gtx 660ti or 7950?
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Also I'm going Intel now
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If you're going with a fast CPU, you should pair it with the best video card you can afford. The GPU is actually more important than the CPU in gaming.

A SSD helps certain aspects of performance a lot, and you get different opinions on here about them. I've had machines with and without them, and I classify it as a "nice to have" item but not an essential one. Other people won't touch a computer without one anymore. If it's an either-or proposition and the alternative is to skimp on the GPU, and gaming is important to you, I'd get the better GPU and hold off on the SSD until I had some spare cash later on.
     
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Do you guys think I should skip a SSD and get a gtx 660ti or 7950?

Yes, get a 7950.
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I agree in principle that the OP should go Intel, but this statement is not true. The Gigabyte 970A-UD3 has the same VRM setup as their high-end 990FX boards, and overclocks as well as anything out there. It's 104.99 at Newegg right now, and I scored it for $89 on sale there a few months ago. I've also had the Biostar TA970XE, another high-quality 970 board, and ran a Thuban with a 1 GHz overclock on it.

It's the quality of the VRM's on an AMD board that determine its suitability for overclocking, not the presence of a 990FX chipset. There are some less expensive 970's that can do the job just as well. if you don't ever plan to run more than one video card--there's a performance hit for using CF on a 970.

Except for a few problems. The 970A-UD3/990FXA-UD3 motherboards used to use NEC mosfet. However, recent word has been that they switched to the much worse Nikos mosfet that are commonly found on 970 series boards. The Biostar suffers from the same problem. So no, you are going to need a solid (non UD3) 990FX if you want to think about a 5Ghz overclock on your FX-8350 these days because Gigabyte royally screwed up their "budget performance" ended AMD boards.

If you want to read more information on Nikos: http://www.overclock.net/t/959289/cpu-vrm-mosfets-transistor-discussion/0_50

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i beg to differ about the 120w-200w draw the 7870 under load overclocked has been proven to draw near 200w alone so get your facts straight you forget that 50w-75w can be drawn off the pciE motherboard slot to feed the GPU so add 125w-175w from the actual 12v power connections to GPU learn to add and subtract before you rant off stuff like you just did the 3570k draws under load overclocked to 4.4ghz is known to be in excess of 125w-160w so no the 550w PSU is not overkill it is underkill and going to be easily overloaded given the VRMs on motherboard convert 12v power to the voltage needed for CPU / ram/ NB / SB and the pcie slot on motherboard for that side of powering the GPU along with main 12v power connection to GPU this is not accounting cooling /case fans / hardrives or general loss due to efficiency lost over time due to degredation of the PSU.


proof about your I5 3570k only drawing at 3.5ghz it draws 161w under load and at 5ghz it draws 267w http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2012/05/01/intel-core-i5-3570k-cpu-review/7

Funny. I don't even like Linus too much, but if you think that a 7870 and an i5 both overclocked are going to pull more than a power hungry GTX 570 + a 4.2Ghz i7-2600k (which pulled 328w from the wall), or dual super power hungry GTX 580s+2600k@4.2Ghz (524w) both at fully load, you must be crazy. Fermi was a well known power hog, and yet it barely sipped power from the wall. A single 7870 + an i5-3570k aren't even going to reach the dual GTX 580+2600k@4.2Ghz load AT ALL. Both are considerably more power efficient architectures than Fermi. And also, I'm not sure if you realize this, although you learn from the video, that also a higher PSU can actually up your power draw from the wall regardless of your components. Thus making your computer more power inefficient.

Video Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKk2_1u26tg

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actually you can still get high overclocks on a ud3. I'm running at 4.9 24/7 with mine. I also easily did 4.7 with a 212+. you just need to cool the vrm. At 1.5v+. I would not recommend this board though because of offset voltage control in bios. very annoying
    
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you seed that I could use micro center but I don't live near one, I'd be driving for like 12 hours to reach one

The i5-3570k is ~$195 at Newegg.com right now with the promo code: EMCYTZT3486 . Which even after would still make it cheaper than the build rickcooperjr linked below you. And would also put it in the same pricing league as a comparable FX-8350 build.

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ok i will build it again but in a easier to read build

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/amd-cpu-fd8350frhkbox cpu amd fx 8350 $189.99 free s&h
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-motherboard-sabertooth990fxr20 asus sabertooth 990fx $178.98 free s&h
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http://pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-video-card-fx787acnfc xfx ati hd 7870 $199.99 after $20 mail in rebate free s&h
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total of $977.92 no skimping all high quality highend good airflow and designed to last unlike previous build lined out biostar i wont touch for the life of me he also was skimping on the PSU not enough power for the hd 7870 + cpu + motherboard + cooling + hardrives + ram + towwer fans and so on the 550w PSU that was suggested would be well over 80% load from day one more near %100+ on 12v rail remember cpu + 7870 alone are under load around 350w not including the other fans / cooling / hardrives and rest of motherboard.

His budget is $900. You NEED a good high end 990FX board to consider getting a good 5Ghz overclock on your FX-8350. You don't need a super super high end motherboard to get a 4.5Ghz overclock on Intel's Z77. Your comment on Biostar shows how little you realize how much the motherboard on Z77 determines a CPU's overclock. The Biostar TZ77XE3 is very comparable to its more expensive Gigabyte cousin the UD3H and offers spectacular performance for its price.

Second off, a 550w is just flat out overkill for the build I linked. He wouldn't even be looking at 180-200w of use in normal gaming usage, overclocking included (CPU overclock on IB generally nets about 40-50w extra at full 100% load, and a general GPU overclock is going to add around the same. Utterly no reason for a 750w PSU in a build like this.

Also, your build is so far off the mark in terms of price and also includes a much worse GPU and worse budget case. It also doesn't include a mass storage drive.

Want 5.0ghz this is all you need http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128519 8+2phase for 100$

I was able to hit 5.0 on my chip no issue, minus my lack of cooling. Hyper 212 EVO will handle to around 4.6 before I find the temps to be unacceptable. (More than 55C)

Yes I have a 6300, but this board is more than enough to take the 8320/50 to 5.0 with proper cooling.
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1TB Hitachi Deskstar + 500GB Hitachi Deskstar 7... Samsung DVDR/CDR Noctua NH-U12P windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit 
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AOC 22" LED 1920x1080 SuperFlower Golden Green HX 550W 80 Plus Gold Xigmatek Utguard 
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