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I have been able to boot the gskill @ 2400mhz, jus took a lil tweaking with my sabertooth mobo. I do some high res work, image sizes vary of course but I find most of my work being 1600x900 and smaller. Yes, a lot of filters, and effects etc. the usually flashy grab the eye internet grfx sort of thing. Hmmm don't know why I hadn't thought of logging my RAM usage, I guess not seeing the forest for the trees rolleyes.gif

as t why not both, the 16GB of corsair is a 4x4 set and the gskill is 2x4, only 4 dim slots on the sabertooth, I wonder if AMD will roll out any 8 dim slot boards?
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log your ram usage for a few days, if it goes above 7.5GB, use the 16gb sticks
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log your ram usage for a few days, if it goes above 7.5GB, use the 16gb sticks

This.

HWInfo. Keep it running in the background for a few days if you keep your rig on 24/7. It'll give mix/max/average RAM usage.

I occasionally dip into 9-10GB territory with VMs, but other than that, I never touch more than 8GB.

You will notice little to no difference in 1333 vs 2400 unless you benchmark but you will notice PF usage.
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This.

HWInfo. Keep it running in the background for a few days if you keep your rig on 24/7. It'll give mix/max/average RAM usage.

I occasionally dip into 9-10GB territory with VMs, but other than that, I never touch more than 8GB.

You will notice little to no difference in 1333 vs 2400 unless you benchmark but you will notice PF usage.
what is PF usage?
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Ugh, why do people keep spreading this "faster RAM is stupid unless you are benching" nonsense?

I admit that I don't have much experience with any post-Phenom 2 chips from AMD, but I do have a lot with the Intel Core series chips from that era forward (excluding LGA1156, which I have only worked with a few times). However, my understanding is that AMD has gone from the "low speed, tight timings" camp to the "MOAR speed" side....?

Obviously, high speed with tight timings is the best, but unless you're either very lucky, or very experienced and still somewhat lucky, the chances are that you willhhave to pick one or the other: high frequency with loose timings OR lower frequency with tight timings. (ie 2400 11-13-12-32 2T vs 1800 7-9-7-22 1T).

Which to choose depends on what your intentions are, as different programs respond to one or the other better.

Photoshop is a funny thing when it comes to memory, as depending on what you are doing, it either wants to have as much memory as you can throw at it, or it wants some really fast memory. Ideally you would have both, but that's really only feasible with either X79 (or X58), or a straight up workstation running 2+ Xeons with 12-16x DIMMs.

I say: use the Trident X for 24/7 as high as you can clock it, and keep the 16GB kit around for when you need to have more memory rather than fast memory. Get the best of both worlds.
   
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Ugh, why do people keep spreading this "faster RAM is stupid unless you are benching" nonsense?

I admit that I don't have much experience with any post-Phenom 2 chips from AMD, but I do have a lot with the Intel Core series chips from that era forward (excluding LGA1156, which I have only worked with a few times). However, my understanding is that AMD has gone from the "low speed, tight timings" camp to the "MOAR speed" side....?

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Which to choose depends on what your intentions are, as different programs respond to one or the other better.

Photoshop is a funny thing when it comes to memory, as depending on what you are doing, it either wants to have as much memory as you can throw at it, or it wants some really fast memory. Ideally you would have both, but that's really only feasible with either X79 (or X58), or a straight up workstation running 2+ Xeons with 12-16x DIMMs.

I say: use the Trident X for 24/7 as high as you can clock it, and keep the 16GB kit around for when you need to have more memory rather than fast memory. Get the best of both worlds.
I like that idea and believe that I may try it out. It is a shame to just have 8Gb of what is considered to be really good RAM sitting around doing nothing. I had thought about selling the kit but eh, never know when it might come in handy
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The only time RAM speeds/timings really shows a noticeable performance boost is in benchmarks (depends on which one) and when using APUs. The iGP takes advantage of the better RAM by leaps and bounds.

Other than that, what are we talking? A few seconds off a couple minute operation? That's not noticeable to me.









if you plan on using the included graphics on the CPU then I'd consider faster RAM but other than that

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There are other factors such as CPU OC that play into role as to whether RAM speed is a noticeable difference. As a result, it is case by case depending on build. Simply because one person's computer can not take advantage of high RAM speed, does not mean another can not either. Or, someone may be need the higher frequency for faster processing (professionals), while another does not because they just play games. Ask yourself, if DDR3-2600 makes no difference, why do manufacturers keep releasing new DDR3-2900+? Are they just stupid money greedy people scamming everyone?

Most people just need basic RAM, but there is an enthusiast/professional bunch of people that can utilize high performance RAM for their specific needs, so it is not right to simply say "DDR3-2400 makes no difference to DDR3-1600" based on benchmark tests that do not properly take advantage of high speed RAM.

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Well the 8350 does not have iGPU and I use an MSI TF III 7950 BE. I installed the G.Skill RAM and have noticed a slight increase in system response time in general, it is actually very nice. added a little more pep to an otherwise already peppy system. I decided to sell the corsair memory in the market place
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Another convert to the High Speed Memory "Ranks" (haha).

I fully agree that sometimes faster memory isn't worth it, but there's a lot of instances where it really doesmmake a difference.
If you are playing games that aren't all GPU bound (RTS, AI intensive, etc) or you have a very strong GPU/GPU's with a good CPU OC, then spending the little extra money for top quality memory, which is a very crucial component (ie it is utilized by everything) makes sense.

I'm experimenting with running games completely from a RAM Disk (ie copy the game folder into the RAM disk, modify directory, keep saves on my "Games" SSD) and not only is it vastly faster than using a regular disk or even SSD, there's absolutely no load times, stuttering, hitching, or texture pop in. Furthermore, the memory speed has a very tangible effect on the performance, with 2200 producing a constant higher framerate than 1600. For games like Metro, Far Cry 3, and other intensive games, it's the way to go IMHO. Of course, it's a hassle to setup so I would say to try it before you buy it, so to speak...
   
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Yah I used to run world of tanks off of a ramdisk on my old acer lappy, only way I could keep above 25 FPS for the most part. Since I've built this PileDriver beast with a 7950I have had no issues at all biggrin.gif Now I lock the vsynch to avoid going from 100+FPS to ~65FPS
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Dark Nova
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New HAF-X Build
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FX-8350 Black Edition ASUS 990FX MSI R7950 Twin Frozr III Boost Corsiar XMS 3 
RAMRAMRAMHard Drive
Corsiar XMS 3 corsair xms3 corsair xms3 crucial m4 ssd 
Optical DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
LiteOn DVD Burner antec kuhler 920 yate loon 120mm HS x4 yate loon 120mm MS x3 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
cooler master 200mm windows 8 pro HP 2011x CM storm quick fire 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
thermaltake m smart series 850 watt cooler master HAF-X logitech m705 logitech G930 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Intel I7 3970X MSI Big Bang-XPower II LGA 2011 Intel X79  MSI R7970 TF 3GD5/OC BE Radeon HD 7970  MSI R7970 TF 3GD5/OC BE Radeon HD 7970  
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custom water cooling from various manufacturers HP 2011x HP 2011x HP 2011x 
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