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they might as well call this the "microshaft consumer (x)boner"-because it screws over consumers-at this point thumb.gif
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Maybe I really am a minority in that I fire up the console to play solo or with other friends in the same room. I've played online on a console maybe twice?

That's all I really want. A good gaming console with some movie playback. Is this a minority opinion too?

Minority opinion? No idea. Not part of the Xbox One's target market? Definitely.
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I think microsoft is expanding their horizons to more than just gamers. If they can capture the rest of the family market, then they can make a good case to those seeking entertainment equipment such as those of us who go out buy blueray players and such. They are simply trying to offer a well rounded product not geared to towards any one specific use. We are no longer playing SNES anymore lol. I like what they are doing but i don't think that is going to be good for us PC gamers who will have to rely on this already not so new tech that XBOX is implementing.
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Microsoft "hopes" developers will make games unplayable offline

They should be "hoping" that the console sells enough units to actually turn a profit, that should be their main concern, not screwing over the existing customer base out of more money.
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Maybe I really am a minority in that I fire up the console to play solo or with other friends in the same room. I've played online on a console maybe twice?

That's all I really want. A good gaming console with some movie playback. Is this a minority opinion too?
I think people are underestimating how many Xbox users aren't online. Let's see, last time I saw there were 40+ million Live memberships, now how many Xboxes have been sold? I'd say it's getting close to 80 million by now. That's 1/2 of the users who aren't online. You can subtract multiple accounts by users, and faulty Xboxes and probably still be at 1/2.
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Honestly speaking, most people have internet, the few who don't probably don't own a system.
The ones that do, i can see them going crazy about it but in this day and age, just about every electronic has to be wifi/internet compatible.
I think that xbox and microsoft can make any kind of new console which they have and people will buy it just like they buy call of duty.
So arguing about whether or not they hope game devs make games unplayed just means they hope to make more money off you.

I still haven't understood exactly what im paying for with and xbox subscription seeing that all the apps i have like hulu and netflix require me to also pay a seperate subscription just to watch tv and movies. Its crazy when you think about it, plus we all pay extra just to have the internet and cab:thumb:le. good job microsoft.
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1- It won't be choppy unless multiplayer gaming which is optional
2- I also have a crappy internet connection, but never had problems with SimCity which saves to the cloud.
The minority who use Dial-Up will have trouble but then again you can't even use dial-up to connect to and xbox.

SCs cloud features consist of saving to their servers and leaderboards...This is meant to be calculation (ie. What we were told SC was) which will need a decent connection unless you want it to do virtually nothing.
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And of all the people that are part of the Xbox One's target demographic, how many do you think that this is the case? How many do you think don't have reliable internet connections? I'm going to take a shot in the dark and say that it's not really that big of a number. Just sayin.

The demographic that would pay attention to consoles before release and probably will buy the most? Quite a few, there's a lot of 18-25 year old gamers who don't need a Internet connection at their house and are happy to use free WiFi at maccas for what little they do. I know quite a number of people with 360s and PS3s who don't have home internet.

MS is targetting casuals...with very little that those outside of Australia would find appealing. Almost everyone I've asked (Who had no idea what the XBOne was, by the way...Further proof that MS' reveal event was idiotic through and through, they showed off features targeted to casuals when the audience was all gamers) hasn't really gotten excited by the TV features. Anecdotal evidence, but it's the best we can do right now...Based off of the current information the PS4 will be a better gaming machine with the XBOne not offering much to make up for it.
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Honestly, I think Microsoft has gone to hell in a hand basket ever since Bill Gates left.

Since that time, I like virtually NOTHING that has come from Microsoft, (with the exception of Windows 7, which is basically a major service pack to Vista, which was started under Bill Gates) that I like since he left.

I've noticed that too, at least, they have some decent ideas and that still (And some horrendous ones) but they can't execute them correctly.
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Can someone please explain why companies are wanting always on internet connection for gaming??? It just doesn't make sense to me from a consumer's perspective. What benefit does this have for the company anyway?

It's not meant to make sense from a consumers perspective as it's mainly to benefit the company through Forced retirement of systems and games, getting more information on what we do in games, being able to throw DLC down more peoples throats, eliminating piracy and used game sales, or getting a cut of the profit.

That's why the "benefits" we get from stuff with those features usually are pretty small.
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Xbox games typically weren't pirated all that much anyway. Much harder to crack the DRM on disk than that of a PC game.

You mean on the console, you do one thing to your console and then burn games (Which have to be perfect down to the bit or it'll flag you and won't work) from a DVD drive...they're straight rips.
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Originally Posted by lacrossewacker View Post

not everybody can afford the Xbox One. guess they should strip it down to a single core pentium with 1 gig of ram and call it a day so nobody gets their feelings hurt.

It's not "I can't afford it!" it's "Permanent Internet really means I just get to chat to friends more often" for some people.
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haven't heard any backlash from them about Xbox Live.........

I couldn't care less about what security implications it has considering I buy my games new from the store and it's not like i'm sitting here snorting a foot of cocaine for the kinect to monitor.

Outside of all the paranoia going on here, think of what they could do with the functionality! We're all almost connected in every other aspect of our lives, why not take that risk on the consoles and see how that betters our experience and expectations of what a console can do.

Xbox Live is optional though, you can still use a 360 offline without any issues and still play most games out there perfectly. You're essentially saying "People enjoy having systems that allow you to play offline but offer additional features when you're online, that's proof that always online works!"

Okay, can I go through your house at my discretion? I mean, if you've got nothing to hide it should be alright, no buckets of cocaine or anything. (Hint: If you don't factor just plain privacy into the situation fair enough, that's you, but a lot of us prefer not to allow Microsoft to really access too much of our lives)

Erm, what can we do with forced online that we can't do with an opt-out system for those who don't want internet/have internet at the time? What features have we heard about that actually benefit us and show that being online once every 24 hours to play games is required? I'm not going to even start on the fact I still play a NES, SNES, PS1, etc but severely doubt I'll be able to play an XBOne in nearly 20 years.
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Originally Posted by paulerxx View Post

Currently, Steam > XBL > PSN > WIIU

So why WOULDN'T Microsoft want to compete with them, when on the grand scale, steam is the winner.

The funny thing about it is how all of those people wondering why Gabe was saying he wanted to hedge bets against Windows 8 were saying MS will never compete with Steam.
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Originally Posted by Cheezman View Post

That's the biggest failure of the Xbox One. It's trying to replace things that if people wanted them, they already have them in much better independent products. Sony made the same mistake with the PS3. They focused on it "doing everything." People don't want their consoles to do everything, they predominantly buy them for gaming.

That and the other thing working against the Xbox One is that it's perceived to be eerily like an Orwellian device.

Exactly. You can tell me that it's different to previous attempts until the cows come home or my ears fall off, that doesn't change the fact that a jack of all trades is a master of none...and we tend to own the things that are the masters of what they do anyway.
People who are defending it should look at it like this: MS announces all of these media hub features...For whose benefit? Are you going to throw the stuff you have out now because the XBOne will do it? Are you going to just use it as a hub between some of those devices, leaving others to just use the original TV Remote controls? Why did they announce those and base the entire announcement around that when the type of people who typically watch those don't watch enough TV to make media features beyond "It plays DVDs/BR and files on HDDs" useful?
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Originally Posted by Slaughtahouse View Post

There you go. Someone who actually read the article and not just the title.

Most of the people here (Not all, clearly) seemed to have read it and worked it out themselves, hell, you only have to read the quote in the OP to see the title is clickbait. This debate will continue in any XBOne related topic though.
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Originally Posted by -Apocalypse- View Post

People need to stop assuming Microsoft doesn't know this and simply doesn't consider those people their target audience anymore.

"It's not for me and that makes me MAD!" is what a lot of the objections boil down to tbqh.

They can make their target market exclusive to people who have been on the moon if they want, that doesn't mean it's a good idea.
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Originally Posted by lacrossewacker View Post

Anybody not read about how the developers can offload some of the computations from the cloud in the background and how that for each Xbox One sold, there will be 3 virtual Xbox One's in the cloud dedicated to your system? Sounds like something that could only BENEFIT gamers. Though I'm sure it's all just for DRM and MS's doom and gloom rolleyes.gif

I severely doubt there actually will be 3 virtual Xbox One's in the cloud, do you have any idea how expensive that would get? Even the cost of making a launch PS3 would be lower once you consider the cost of the hardware, support staff, data-centers, etc.

It can only benefit us! That's why MS will be continuing to run those virtual Xbox Ones forevermore until absolutely no-one uses them, right? Plenty of people plug in their retro consoles still. I've got an old TV above my main PC screen specifically for my NES, SNES and PS1, one of my friends has a SNES and N64 still plugged in and used daily, another one has an N64 and a Atari 2600, etc.
So, do you really think MS will leave those virtual servers up indefinitely?
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Minority opinion? No idea. Not part of the Xbox One's target market? Definitely.

Who is their target market then? Because from what I've seen this is like Windows 8 in that there's no real clear target market that MS has a decent chance of getting into with this product, but MS is still sacrificing features at the expense of their former target market and paying customers.
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Originally Posted by anyhtinggoes View Post

I think people are underestimating how many Xbox users aren't online. Let's see, last time I saw there were 40+ million Live memberships, now how many Xboxes have been sold? I'd say it's getting close to 80 million by now. That's 1/2 of the users who aren't online. You can subtract multiple accounts by users, and faulty Xboxes and probably still be at 1/2.

Exactly.
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Originally Posted by jojoenglish85 View Post

Honestly speaking, most people have internet, the few who don't probably don't own a system.
The ones that do, i can see them going crazy about it but in this day and age, just about every electronic has to be wifi/internet compatible.
I think that xbox and microsoft can make any kind of new console which they have and people will buy it just like they buy call of duty.
So arguing about whether or not they hope game devs make games unplayed just means they hope to make more money off you.

I still haven't understood exactly what im paying for with and xbox subscription seeing that all the apps i have like hulu and netflix require me to also pay a seperate subscription just to watch tv and movies. Its crazy when you think about it, plus we all pay extra just to have the internet and cab:thumb:le. good job microsoft.

That's funny, the majority of people who own a PS3/Xbox 360 I know don't connect it through the internet because of personal choice or their internet (Or lack thereof) just isn't up to scratch. I connect mine, two other friends do..The rest either don't have internet at home (But both current-gen consoles) or internet that is up to scratch because it's too slow, unreliable and has a low cap, a few never play MP so don't bother connecting theirs. The MS making any console and it selling well even if it's crap doesn't apply at all...They had one successful generation so far, the PS2 has far more sales and afaik the PS3 is catching up, I'd say more people like Sony than MS too...People still joke about BSODs in the real world, and I mean people who are ignorant about computers to the level that a BSOD is probably the most technical thing they know.

It's funny how people defend this
    
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So when ms are asked if they hope devs will utilise their tech that has more implications and applications t get an just gaming, they were supposed to say "no, we hope nobody uses it"?

What about games that are online already?

What about a wow type game with cloud generated skies, wind, etc
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I hate sensationalized titles. Great job OP...
 
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die microsoft die :@
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