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Any reo why not? I would like to remain under 36x multi for 24/7, but im aiming for 4.8-5.0GHz. So I will need the CPu Strapp to be in the 140 area. Any comments on this? And I want it under 36x because I want some power saving stuff on. Any comments on my plan?

I would head over to the i7 3820 OC Club....there are some mad scientists over there that can explain it better than I can, and there ARE ways of OC'ing that you can leave your power saving features on. I just know that a lot of people have run into trouble using anything other than 125 strap. I couldn't get mine to boot using anything higher than 125. (although I will say that this was on my first Gene IV, that went haywire, so it might have just been the board to begin with). There is a boat load of info in that thread I posted though, if you don't mind reading a bit.


Edit: KaRLiToS posted a couple of links that are worth reading too. Some good info there.
Edited by Ramsey77 - 5/25/13 at 7:45am
 
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I suggest that you don't use the BCLK Strap (especially the 150mhz one). If you use another strap than 100mhz, your CPU won't idle correctly if you decide to use the power saving features (such as C1E and EIST (Enhance Intel Speedstep Technology))
Even when using STRAP, CPU will able to idle. It will idle at 1500MHz instead of 1200MHz but it will idle properly because of the C-States. CPU power management will work properly if C3/C6/C7 are enabled. When CPU enter C6 state for example, voltage drop down to near zero. So, the power consumption will be always low when idle even when using STRAP.
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Any reo why not? I would like to remain under 36x multi for 24/7, but im aiming for 4.8-5.0GHz. So I will need the CPu Strapp to be in the 140 area. Any comments on this? And I want it under 36x because I want some power saving stuff on. Any comments on my plan?
STRAP 140 doesn't exist. If you set it to 140 (BCLK), you should use STRAP 125. Even if you leave the "CPU STRAP" = Auto, I believe ASUS BIOS will automatically select STRAP 125. 140MHz will be given to CPU & the PCIe/DMI controller will be given (140 / 1.25) 112MHz. The +12MHz pretty high, most CPU can only do 5 to 10% adjustment.

As long as C1E/C3/C6/C7 are enabled, power saving/management will work.
Edited by kizwan - 5/25/13 at 8:27am
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Even when using STRAP, CPU will able to idle. It will idle at 1500MHz instead of 1200MHz but it will idle properly because of the C-States. CPU power management will work properly if C3/C6/C7 are enabled. When CPU enter C6 state for example, voltage drop down to near zero. So, the power consumption will be always low when idle even when using STRAP.
STRAP 140 doesn't exist. If you set it to 140 (BCLK), you should use STRAP 125. Even if you leave the "CPU STRAP" = Auto, I believe ASUS BIOS will automatically select STRAP 125. 140MHz will be given to CPU & the PCIe/DMI controller will be given (140 / 1.25) 112MHz. The +12MHz pretty high, most CPU can only do 5 to 10% adjustment.

As long as C1E/C3/C6/C7 are enabled, power saving/management will work.

Ok then, thanks!
     
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Even when using STRAP, CPU will able to idle. It will idle at 1500MHz instead of 1200MHz but it will idle properly because of the C-States. CPU power management will work properly if C3/C6/C7 are enabled. When CPU enter C6 state for example, voltage drop down to near zero. So, the power consumption will be always low when idle even when using STRAP.
STRAP 140 doesn't exist. If you set it to 140 (BCLK), you should use STRAP 125. Even if you leave the "CPU STRAP" = Auto, I believe ASUS BIOS will automatically select STRAP 125. 140MHz will be given to CPU & the PCIe/DMI controller will be given (140 / 1.25) 112MHz. The +12MHz pretty high, most CPU can only do 5 to 10% adjustment.

As long as C1E/C3/C6/C7 are enabled, power saving/management will work.


Asus BIOS will automatically set the strap to 100Mhz. (Not 125mhz)

Also, I'm not sure if what you are saying is right. Only 100mhz strap is suppose to idle the voltage correctly. I also experienced it, I was trying the 125mhz strap and my voltage never went to idle.

Even Raja@Asus said it. SOURCE
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switching to Strap 125MHz. It gives me the best RAM divider - 2333 (becase my GSkill behaves unstably on 2400MHz); I add some BClk (up to 125.75 to reach 4.9GHz CPU). I put CPU multiplier to x39. All other settings are set the same as already described. The same settings, as for Strap 100. Rebooting - and it starts:
the first - "nominal" VCore value is set by mobo 1.000v. WHY???? I have to put offset +0.360v to reach 1.36v as a a result. And under these conditions, VCore lowering function stops working at all. CPU mult drops to x12 in idle, but VCore stays at 1.36 in idle

For C1E to work properly you cannot use "strap" 125. Nothing we can do about that. Your only option is to use the 100 "strap" if you want dynamic SVID to work.
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Oh Well, but my 6300 is set to not downclock so im used to it, apart from minor increase in power consumption, will it also degrade my chip quicker? and if so, how much quicker?
     
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Asus BIOS will automatically set the strap to 100Mhz. (Not 125mhz)

Also, I'm not sure if what you are saying is right. Only 100mhz strap is suppose to idle the voltage correctly. I also experienced it, I was trying the 125mhz strap and my voltage never went to idle.

Even Raja@Asus said it. SOURCE
You can't rely on Vcore reported by the CPU-z or any other monitoring software to determine power consumption when idle. There are two type of C-states, Core C-State & Package C-State. With Core C-States, individual CPU cores can enter C3/C6/C7 states when idle. For Package C-States, the processor will enter Cx state when at least one core in Cx state & the other cores are in Cx states or lower power state.

That is, sorry to say, inaccurate statement. C1E is enhanced C1 state. C1E will work even when using STRAP. Just because Vcore doesn't "throttle" down when idle doesn't means it doesn't work. The difference between the two, C1E enabled lower power consumption than C1. C1/C1E is the highest C-state where CPU is ready to return to work instantaneously. The deeper the C-state, the lower power consumption it will be. Some ASUS BIOS block Package C-State. I don't know if this true on RIVE but on P9X79 PRO with BIOS 2002, Package C-States is blocked. With Core C-state, individual CPU cores can enter these states which lower the power consumption. The deeper the C-state, the voltage decrease for that core. In C6 state, voltage for that core is reduced to zero. This is where it influenced the power consumption. So, you can't rely on the Vcore reported by monitoring to software to determine the actual CPU power consumption when idle.


Edited by kizwan - 5/25/13 at 10:13am
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But to me, C1E is most important, and I think it sucks if you are browsing the internet and the CPU is pumping 1.37v in it.

As I mentionned in my first post.
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I suggest that you don't use the BCLK Strap (especially the 150mhz one). If you use another strap than 100mhz, your CPU won't idle correctly if you decide to use the power saving features (such as C1E and EIST (Enhance Intel Speedstep Technology))

You absolutely need 100mhz strap to use C1E. EIST will also downclock to 1500 / 1600mhz instead of 1200mhz. Thats why I said it won't idle properly. If you don't use 100mhz strap the CPU will remain at it's full voltage even during idle (low power state, NOT deep power state)

I never talked about C3/C6/C7 deep power states.
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Well, when you're talking about (CPU) power saving, you're talking about C0, C1, C1E, C3, C6 & C7, not just C1E.

[EDIT] Wait a sec...you think C3/C6/C7 is referring to computer in sleep/hibernate/shutdown mode? Idle is idle. When idle, CPU can enter C1/C1E/C3/C6/C7 states. In C3, power consumption is much lower than in C1E.
Edited by kizwan - 5/25/13 at 10:35am
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Oh Well, but my 6300 is set to not downclock so im used to it, apart from minor increase in power consumption, will it also degrade my chip quicker? and if so, how much quicker?

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@kizwan My point has been done: C1E will not work properly when using another strap than 100mhz,

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