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I've noticed most tests - that are scarce - are done on mice with the assumption cables are not there, since they are often controlled tests with the mouse attached somewhere and the cable inflicting 0 force on the test.

But what about realistic movement, with a human having to deal with the cable?

One can soon realize that might be almost impossible to test properly, since humans can't control their test-movement perfectly, and even if machinery was operating it, one would have to toss the cable around in unrealistic ways to test. Though it's not hopeless, it does sound possible to be tested, reliably.

Now, one can easily realize that the properties of the cables are very important; a bendable cable will be less of a burden.

But how far one can go? Even the best cable will inflict some sort of force and let's not even go to the possibility of running out of cable, there the virtual force inflicted results to basically 100% loss of movement.

So, one should wonder, if a new technology gives 0,0001% advantage on movement, or if another convenience, in this case lack of cables, removes 0,001% of an advantage in latencies - if that is true - then, would a cable that for example inflicts even 0,5% violation on intended movement due to its inflicted force be a worse solution? And I suspect that 0,5% might be too small in some cases. I remember on common Logitech mice finding myself getting irritated by a cable about 1/10th of the time. There must be something important here that most people overlook when they automatically dismiss the wireless factor.
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post #2 of 23
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Originally Posted by fateswarm View Post

There must be something important here that most people overlook when they automatically dismiss the wireless factor.

Weight has a far bigger impact on aiming than the "force" created by the friction of a cable.
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Did you just write a post consisting of 1586 characters on how the cable might sometimes mess with your performance? Just stick a piece of bluetack on your desk, or do the very ultimate solution: tape the mouse cord onto your hand and run it under your desk. tongue.gif
post #4 of 23
Two words:

Mouse bungee.
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Did you just write a post consisting of 1586 characters on how the cable might sometimes mess with your performance?

Did you really just count how many letters are in his post? OC much?

Tape the cable to your desk after you've given yourself a loop of slack. It won't affect anything after that.
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post #6 of 23
Even with mouse bungee, low sens players need enough cable to move the mouse around a big mousepad and this ****s me over. I have a Xornet mouse which is really light, so I can feel whenever the cable is more resistant to one side and it bothers me a great deal. Precision shots are affected imo and I would be using wireless if there was a good enough option. If a cable had consisten feel to all sides it'd be fine, the extra weight/force isn't an issue, it's the ******* inconsistency that rapes me. mad.gif
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Two words:

Mouse bungee.

http://www.9thtee.com/images/images2/zipties.jpg My cheap ass solution. Find something to attach it to xD Price for most annoying cable imo goes to SS Sensei. Least annoying cable without attaching it imo, zowie.
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Originally Posted by CorruptBE View Post

http://www.9thtee.com/images/images2/zipties.jpg My cheap ass solution. Find something to attach it to xD Price for most annoying cable imo goes to SS Sensei. Least annoying cable without attaching it imo, zowie.

Haha, I did that. Ziptied it to a desk lamp. Works perfectly.
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post #9 of 23
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Originally Posted by Remmib View Post

Two words:

Mouse bungee.
That doesn't remove the force entirely. Whatever you do with it, the cable is there and it tends to hold its position. Simple physics. Better slender cables improve it but never remove it.
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post #10 of 23
So?

The added weight on wireless mice caused by the battery pack is much worse than the slight weight of the cable.
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