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Originally Posted by fateswarm View Post

That doesn't remove the force entirely. Whatever you do with it, the cable is there and it tends to hold its position. Simple physics. Better slender cables improve it but never remove it.

If you set it properly, you won't feel any cable force unless you are off the edge of your mousepad, and I'm talking about my big Qck+.
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Originally Posted by Ino. View Post

So?

The added weight on wireless mice caused by the battery pack is much worse than the slight weight of the cable.

Hmm, not necessarily, at least the weight on a wireless mouse is always consistent...cable drag is always random and feels different every time.
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post #12 of 23
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Hmm, not necessarily, at least the weight on a wireless mouse is always consistent...cable drag is always random and feels different every time.

I meant with proper cable management/mouse bungee. Playing with the cable hanging of the edge or smth like that is horrible of course.
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This is being pedantic to a degree that surprises me even on these forums. Seriously, I just set up the mouse so that I am not dragging the entire cord around, just like with a mouse bungee. It doesn't "completely remove" cord drag, but it affects my gaming precision exactly 0%.
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when i move up the cable i feel the mouse is less heavier.
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post #15 of 23
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Originally Posted by Ino. View Post

So?

The added weight on wireless mice caused by the battery pack is much worse than the slight weight of the cable.
As people have repeatedly said, they like the weight of some mice. Plus you have explicitly stated that you have not tested some mice because you think abstractly that they are "terrible".

Biased opinions are going nowhere. This isn't from someone that has "beliefs" and never tested the alternative. I had been using the whole range of Logitech for more that ten years, the overwhelming majority of them being corded on optical or laser technology. What I used now is not derived from a belief in what is 'terrible' but after careful consideration and several years of use.
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This is being pedantic to a degree that surprises me even on these forums. Seriously, I just set up the mouse so that I am not dragging the entire cord around, just like with a mouse bungee. It doesn't "completely remove" cord drag, but it affects my gaming precision exactly 0%.
What is overwhelmingly more pedantic is giving more weight on theoretical considerations on minute differences in latencies that are practically impossible to be detected by any human right now on earth ..and then ignoring the obviously more important factor of a cable getting in the way or even its passive force.

What is even more worrying is that people often base their beliefs on totally false information. e.g. Almost 100% of the time I see people ignoring that the G700 receiver is modded for 1ms latency (not that anyone could manually personally detect it, of course) or basing beliefs on 'superior sensor technology' on questionable tests from 2006, without even including newer mice and tests that only apply to cloth mats.
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post #17 of 23
Just buy the http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-accessories/razer-mouse-bungee

It's a very cheap solution to keep the mouse cord out of the way. They only thing I don't like about it, is the weight. It should have some kind of lead base to make it nice and heavy. When you are spending multiple hours at a computer, it's should even be worth trying.
post #18 of 23
Personally, I've never been able to get along very well with mouse bungees...I prefer to have the flexibility of the entire cord available, rather than only that of a small part. I find that the cord actually affects the motion of the mouse a lot less when the whole cord can move and bend freely rather than being restricted by some kind of holder. Either way, the cord does affect the motion of the mouse, especially when the mouse is held fairly loosely (typically around the edges of my range of movement), and having a preference for cords that are designed for durability rather than flexibility probably doesn't improve matters.

That said, the deflection caused by the cord is still much less of a downside than the disadvantages of wireless mice. There are enough different issues with wireless mice that, even if a mouse solves some of them, the others are still severe problems. There's battery weight, latency, batteries expiring at bad times (as they always do), length of battery life (especially with a high-performance rather than low-power sensor), physical size of batteries leading to bad sensor placement and inferior weight distribution, cost of batteries if non-rechargable ones are used, and more.
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post #19 of 23
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Originally Posted by fateswarm View Post

As people have repeatedly said, they like the weight of some mice. Plus you have explicitly stated that you have not tested some mice because you think abstractly that they are "terrible".

Biased opinions are going nowhere. This isn't from someone that has "beliefs" and never tested the alternative. I had been using the whole range of Logitech for more that ten years, the overwhelming majority of them being corded on optical or laser technology. What I used now is not derived from a belief in what is 'terrible' but after careful consideration and several years of use.

I have tested older iterations of wireless and they were terrible (mouse lag from hell). I didn't bother with the G700 for other reasons, mainly because it uses a flawed sensor. Yes, my statement about wireless being terrible for gaming in general might be outdated, I didn't try any newer wireless mouse.

My contribution to this thread however is not only opinion. A mouse that weighs >150g is hampering my gameplay much more than the slight friction on cable of an 80g mouse has if you do some good cable management. So my answer to the thread title would be: No, not a deciding factor.
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post #20 of 23
Yeah. A good cable with proper management doesn't have any meaningful effect on the way your mouse behaves when you move it. You wouldn't factor in air resistance either.

But calling people liars based on opinions isn't classy. I wouldn't consider a wireless mouse for myself before they are able to tune the weight down, that alone is much bigger downside for me than cords.
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