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Some comments that always stem from these threads always make me laugh. I would say a few years ago there actually was a bit of a difference between them. At some point Macs were better for video/image work.

Now it is just a question of style and what comes natural to you. Are you left hand or right handed? Sure you can learn either and be quite good at it but somethings come more natural to some people in OSX, Windows, or Nix flavor. Doesn't mean one is inferior to the other just means they are different.

Ignoring or accepting business practices from companies; it just becomes personal choice. I am another triple booter and have an older Macbook in the closet with a Mac Pro as well. They served their purposes but no longer meet my requirements.

I have to run software that simply has never and most likely will never be re-made for Mac. The market share for Apple in certain commercial applications is very small so Windows is the only choice. (You actually have to ignore running Parallels because few commercial software will officially be supported that way. Makes you wonder why you pay upwards of $5000 a year just for maintenance and support of 10 licenses. rolleyes.gif)

I do love the multi-touch trackpad from Apple though and haven't yet found something compatible with Windows.
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Edit: First double post. Had to happen sometime.
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Like some have said, its all about what you are going to be doing. Gaming: Sure, Windows 100%. Yes, you can run and support a Titan in a MacPro - Apple has just recently included the drivers for the latest AMD and NVidia cards, but I still say windows over Apple for gaming. You want a light and powerful laptop? Mac, All the way. But anyways....

I support Windows and Mac devices at work, and while your milage may vary (And probably does) I have next to no issues with our Mac users compared to Windows users, and it comes down to three basic things:

COL, PEBKAC, and Hardware.

When it comes to the actual hardware, yes, you can get a Windows Machine for less cost for the exact same performance. The beancounters love that little fact. Price/Performance ratio is where Apple falls down, yet, when you get down to it, is its greatest strength that makes it, in the end, better in my opinion. It all comes down to everything being locked down in the Apple ecosystem. A real pain in the ass, granted. And until recently, a killer for us when it comes to buying new Mac Pros. However, that tight control means you *never* have to worry about hardware issues. As the ads say, It Just Works. And the same goes for applications. Of course there is the occasional exception, but its just that: rare. Syncing desktops to iPads and iPhones is so simple, even a caveman will think its too easy. With windows, its a driver nightmare. Which has, I'll admit, improved, but its still true. The OS has to support everything under the sun regardless, which leads to excessively huge size requirements and compatibility issues.

Software, I used to say without any shadow of doubt, if its creative arts, go mac all the way. That has changed some so where I think that the windows world has caught up to the point where if your company has already had just recently invested huge sums into the windows ecosystem, I don't see this issue is important enough to justify the switch. However, if you have to upgrade your users systems anyways, go Mac.

PEBKAC (Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair) is night and day. The iOS/OSX duo is just that freaking good. Once you get used to it, its just better due to more attention being paid to those little things you don't think about, and can't really point to, but at the end, you can see it in how you use it. Since all the various applications for the OS is run by Apple to greater or lessor degree, and you have to use Apple's tools to make such apps, you get a much more holistic approach to it all: what works in one program usually works in another. You don't have to learn different shortcuts across the board for every program. Of course there is differences, but not as much as you would see in the Windows world. Again, the caveman thing: anyone can make the most of the OS while you have to be a techie to get the same degree of use out of Windows in my opinion. I'll admit I am biased here, as I have been a mac user since Windows ME, but still, I think I am not far off the mark - though I will admit that MS has improved things remarkably with Win7.

COL (Cost Over Life) is the 600 pound gorilla in this argument. Its tied heavily in the Hardware discussion, and as said, the Beancounters love the Windows cost of entry, but over the years this is what I have found:

In our company, roughly 35% of our machines are Macs, all our tabs are iPads, and half the mobile phones are iPhones. When it comes to hardware costs, Macs take up half the expenditures budgeted for new hardware. On the surface, this is a badness thing. However, support costs are a much different story: 90% of my departments time is sucked up by Windows machines, as well as just under 80% of our budget us sucked up by the windows machines as well. Over a period of three years, a MacPro will cost less than the similarly equipped Dell and HP machines - and we use HP and Dell for warranty reasons, and yet, Macs still cost less over the lifetime.


Someone else referred to the Apple Ecosystem as a Walled Garden that is expensive to get into, but once in it, is the most beautiful garden ever. And thats not a bad way to look at it.
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Personally as a someone who once love to use a Mac I have slowly drifted away from them, and the crap they pull with iPhone vs Samsung "insert name here" leaves me with a foul taste in my mouth. Starting off with a G4 ibook then a C2D Macbook (GMA3100) for the earlier part of the 2000's I was running a mac laptop. Then I decided to use boot camp when vista came out and pretty much started using windows as a main OS and OSX as a secondary. I always found OSX to be a little slower in the web browsing field, plus flash player performance sucked on OSX back in the day. As a Firefox user at the time, Windows was the way to go. I had adobe on my windows side as well, CS2 was probably the point where OSX stopped being the main OS focus anyways.

OSX is fine, I don't have it on my PC anymore but when I did it worked fine. Wouldn't call it a stellar OS though, APP quality might be better then most linux apps but windows still takes the cake in Apps. Plus gaming on the OSX side always takes a dip even though the machine was horrid for gaming. After that I got my Thinkpad T60 then T61p(better in every way vs a 2008 macbook pro) a year later and was more then happy with windows laptops. Currently you can get a ultra book that gets just as good of life as a macbook air, other then the small netbook sized macbook air I see no point in them compared to other brands ultra books. The Mac side of apple is the second focus now, iOS Phone/Tablet and itunes/apps side is where Apple excels and is making the most money.


I'm more of a dark brushed aluminum or that rubber textures stuff you find on htc phones and on thinkpads type of guy, Silver aluminum is not my thing really so I never was really fond on apples lineup. Though many people love that look, thing is nearly every manufacturer is making laptops like that now. They no longer have that apple feel to them and really no longer make the best looking laptops in that regards ether. Battery life is more of a model to model thing, many windows machines get just as good battery life if not better. And don't have to deal with inferior bootcamp drivers that kill battery life when using windows on a macbook. Plus Trackpads on some of the newer windows 8 machines are just as good as apple's.

Mac is fine for people that like it, but really you get no gain if you don't need to use a app on OSX or you just like the design. Though If apple would release a macbook air 11" with AMD APU I would consider getting one, though really want a windows 8 hybrid laptop with AMD APU....
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Personally as a someone who once love to use a Mac I have slowly drifted away from them, and the crap they pull with iPhone vs Samsung "insert name here" leaves me with a foul taste in my mouth. Starting off with a G4 ibook then a C2D Macbook (GMA3100) for the earlier part of the 2000's I was running a mac laptop. Then I decided to use boot camp when vista came out and pretty much started using windows as a main OS and OSX as a secondary. I always found OSX to be a little slower in the web browsing field, plus flash player performance sucked on OSX back in the day. As a Firefox user at the time, Windows was the way to go. I had adobe on my windows side as well, CS2 was probably the point where OSX stopped being the main OS focus anyways.

OSX is fine, I don't have it on my PC anymore but when I did it worked fine. Wouldn't call it a stellar OS though, APP quality might be better then most linux apps but windows still takes the cake in Apps. Plus gaming on the OSX side always takes a dip even though the machine was horrid for gaming. After that I got my Thinkpad T60 then T61p(better in every way vs a 2008 macbook pro) a year later and was more then happy with windows laptops. Currently you can get a ultra book that gets just as good of life as a macbook air, other then the small netbook sized macbook air I see no point in them compared to other brands ultra books. The Mac side of apple is the second focus now, iOS Phone/Tablet and itunes/apps side is where Apple excels and is making the most money.


I'm more of a dark brushed aluminum or that rubber textures stuff you find on htc phones and on thinkpads type of guy, Silver aluminum is not my thing really so I never was really fond on apples lineup. Though many people love that look, thing is nearly every manufacturer is making laptops like that now. They no longer have that apple feel to them and really no longer make the best looking laptops in that regards ether. Battery life is more of a model to model thing, many windows machines get just as good battery life if not better. And don't have to deal with inferior bootcamp drivers that kill battery life when using windows on a macbook. Plus Trackpads on some of the newer windows 8 machines are just as good as apple's.

Mac is fine for people that like it, but really you get no gain if you don't need to use a app on OSX or you just like the design. Though If apple would release a macbook air 11" with AMD APU I would consider getting one, though really want a windows 8 hybrid laptop with AMD APU....

See my post here.
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well i didn't get quoted once so i must not being to bad. guess it devolved in to some arguments/debates and some talk about linux. like i said it's different way of doing things. however lately apples been doing some stuff on (rude works to describe them) side of things lately. each new OSX iteration cost backwards compatibility which isn't good, even for regular users. older popular programs require stuff like parallels to use.

I also saw post about HDMI being a pain, my first though was was licensing ans what i just said above. apple kind of puts them selves first so if blu-ray or HDMI cost them money you can guarantee you will have troubles using it if at all.

I can say there at least WAS something to OSX and apple computers, they sure do look nice both physically and the software. OSX also has it's own feel but, they are making things hard for the end users. OP said he test a hackintosh, OP if you used lion or MtLion do me a favor and try to run Starcraft 1 or Warcraft 3, what happens when you try to install or run them? if you used snow leopard tell me what happens when you try to run Uniengine Heaven Benchmark or Witcher 2?

well I'm sure I'm totally off topic or just killed the conversation, i'll check back when i'm sober. biggrin.gif

I can't really say OSX is okay when you can't run your programs any more.
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Macs used to have unbeatable touchpads. That is why I got mine at least.
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Whats so great about a mac... you can be a hipster? lachen.gif
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Idk.. Good departure from Windows.. Dual boot with Hack FTW! biggrin.gif
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If you like Windows, why change? You're not going to be able to do more in OSX.

Some like blondes
Some like red heads
Some like raven hair
Some like none of the above

None are better than the other.
 
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Maybe i`m wrong but not only Apple is "overpriced"? i mean that i`m looking at all these new ultrabooks from Asus,Samsung,etc and all are more or less the same price, ofc i`m not speaking about mac pro or fully upgraded rMBP 15' which cost a ****load of money. Windows counterparts always kinda have some issues, trackpad/build quality/etc. Even 2200$ for a base rMBP 15' seems too much for me but that resolution/display must cost some money, and all these little touches like thunderbolt ports which are pretty expensive, glued DDR which can give better latency than normal, even if i agree that this reduce the "future-proofness" of the machine and so on.

I never had any mac, in europe they are even more expensive and not really worth it but macs are nice, i have an iphone and had a hackintosh, the ecosystem as many ppl said is something that grows on you i guess.

Still deciding if to buy an MBA for programming or not but i can only hope that the haswell MBA will sport an 1080 display tongue.gif
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