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Hello Im trying to find the best option for upgrading the cooling of my rig for the least amount of money.

Specs:
CPU: Intel Core i7-870 @ stock speeds w/ Noctua NH-D14 (2xNF-P14 push/pull. The NF-P12 that came with the cooler is a spare currently)
Motherboard: Asus Maximus III Formula
RAM: 2x2GB G.Skill DDR3-1333, 2x4GB G.Skill DDR3-1600 (oops)
GPU: EVGA GeFroce GTX 570 1.2GB @ stock speeds
PSU: Silverstone Strider 1000w
Storage: 1 Samsung 840 Pro 128GB SSD, 5 HDDs.
Case: Corsair 600T (all stock fans)
AD900x Headphones (open)

I know I have limited options if I dont want to mod my case so I would be willing to buy a new one (Less than $130 CAD) if I was able to sell my current one. The biggest concerns I have right now are the dust (Ive tried to get a good filter but haven't yet and I know I need positive pressure) and the occasional rattle of the case fans. I would prefer to keep the noise to around the same levels I have now with all fans (minus GPU) at full speed. I've been reading through this thread and it has been enlightening however I'm still not sure on how to approach this upgrade/replacement.

For case selection Id prefer something more lightweight, 1 optical bay, minimum of 5 hdd and 1 ssd bay, lots of cooling options, good quality fan filters that are easy to clean, nice cable management and good ease of use. Currently I have my eyes on the CM690 III, Antec Performance One P280, Phanteks Enthoo and Fractal Arc Midi R2.

Thanks.

Enthoo Pro without a doubt.
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Take a look at what you have.

A case only flows as much air as it's smallest quantity of intake or exhaust airflow..

5 intakes

1 exhaust.

That's easily 4 times as much area pushing air into case as there is area for air to get out of case.

So where is the air from the other 3-4 intakes supposed to exit the case?

Because if that air can't leave the case, it does not enter the case either. The fans are spinning but the air is not flowing into or out of the case.

What comes in must go out / what goes out must come in. wink.gif
well in that case I'll have to flip my radiator fans around to take air from in the case to out the case, when i had it that way my cpu was 10 degress hotter due to the heat my gpu puts out
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well in that case I'll have to flip my radiator fans around to take air from in the case to out the case, when i had it that way my cpu was 10 degress hotter due to the heat my gpu puts out
That's not what I'm saying. Just pointing out that the case airflow is not optimal. Links in sig explain case airflow. You don't need equal number of exhaust fans, just equal vent area so the amount of air the fan can flow into case have a somewhere to flow out through.
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That's not what I'm saying. Just pointing out that the case airflow is not optimal. Links in sig explain case airflow. You don't need equal number of exhaust fans, just equal vent area so the amount of air the fan can flow into case have a somewhere to flow out through.

I've got a Phanteks Enthoo pro case, running 3 x 140mm intakes and 1 x 140mm exhaust.
There is mesh above the exhausat, and below it next to the GPU's. Almost the whole top is mesh.
Do you reckon thats enough exhaust (active and passive) or would you get a second 140 blowing hot air out the top / back?

nb: my exhaust (measured just behind the rear grille) is about 5-6c warmer than my room air / intake during light use.
Once those GPU's crank up it can get to 10-12c warmer than the air in front of the case.
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I've got a Phanteks Enthoo pro case, running 3 x 140mm intakes and 1 x 140mm exhaust.
There is mesh above the exhausat, and below it next to the GPU's. Almost the whole top is mesh.
Do you reckon thats enough exhaust (active and passive) or would you get a second 140 blowing hot air out the top / back?

nb: my exhaust (measured just behind the rear grille) is about 5-6c warmer than my room air / intake during light use.
Once those GPU's crank up it can get to 10-12c warmer than the air in front of the case.
You are fine.
Phanteks cases have plenty of passive exhaust area as well as area that can be active or passive. Their fans also have good airflow with some resistance.

But measuring exhaust air temp really tells us very little. The most critical air temperatures in the system are the air temp into case and even more so, the air temp into CPU, GPU and over motherboard components.

The object of airflow is not how much we can move, but how well we can supply cool air to components. To do this we have remove the component's heated exhaust air without it contaminating their cool intake air and heating it up. This is explained in links in my sig .. as well as how to accomplish it.
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That's not what I'm saying. Just pointing out that the case airflow is not optimal. Links in sig explain case airflow. You don't need equal number of exhaust fans, just equal vent area so the amount of air the fan can flow into case have a somewhere to flow out through.

I'm so confused man. You're saying we need the same surface area for air to go out as it's coming in that way airflow is nice and flowy, but you're saying that doesn't mean have 3 intakes and 3 exhausts? all my fans are 120 mm so having 3 120mm fans as intake and 3 120mm fans as exhaust the same surface area there is...
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I'm so confused man. You're saying we need the same surface area for air to go out as it's coming in that way airflow is nice and flowy, but you're saying that doesn't mean have 3 intakes and 3 exhausts? all my fans are 120 mm so having 3 120mm fans as intake and 3 120mm fans as exhaust the same surface area there is...
Have you read the links in my sig? They answer most of your questions.
The reason I say to read them first is so I don't have to keep posting the same thing over and over and over and over.
Vent area will flow air with or without fans. I prefer having more fans pushing air into case than exhausting because intake are filtered (mine all are) and catch the dust and leak the extra out other holes in case. If there are more exhaust than intake dusting air will be sucked into case though other holes. Add to this the airlfow spec of fans is not even close to what they are actually flowing when mounted in the case.
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curly..i hate to say it..but doyll is right..

the type of config hes saying is
80% positive pressure 10% passive(air escapes from any open slots..vents..gaps)
10% negative (exhuast fans)

meaning that if you have say 10 fans..
atleast 8should be intake and two spots exhuast..for me..thats always top and rear
or side and rear..
hope we were all of some help..you should read as many threads and research as possible and test out each config till you achieve the endgoal..its the only way youll understand and learn..test..read..test..and read some more...
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Enthoo Pro without a doubt.
How does that case compare to the lux ?
Are there any other cases you would recommend?
Also with the 120mm jetflo fans what sort of profile do you recommend ? since your the guru on these .
Thanks dave
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How does that case compare to the lux ?
Are there any other cases you would recommend?
Also with the 120mm jetflo fans what sort of profile do you recommend ? since your the guru on these .
Thanks dave
The luxe is basically the same thing plus extra space in the roof for mounting fans and the LED strip. Nothing else.

Not really at the moment, maybe the Rosewill Rise. I still have a NZXT Switch 810 that I love for cooling but it's a lot larger and also very appalling quality-wise

Profile? I would suggest a slightly more aggressive profile as they're not that noisy and it has almost all the airflow from 1400-2000rpm kinda like a Honda VTEC F20 engine rolleyes.gif but of course, both are good in their ways tongue.gif
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