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You can add a few more 140mm fans to that list including the Silverstone's FHP141. thumb.gif Noise? Not so loud. thumb.gif
You rating it based on mfr's specs? They're overrated you know?
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The TY-140 its not bad for the price (6.5€)
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The TY-140 its not bad for the price (6.5€)
Has no static pressure rating therefore it's a pretty suspicious fan
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Well it comes with the HR-02 Cooler that cooler is thick and i can feel the air on the other side so its not that bad though i replaced it with a TY150, somebody has to test it with WC and see results for the 140 model but the round frame may not please everybody
Edited by [CyGnus] - 12/16/13 at 3:50am
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You rating it based on mfr's specs? They're overrated you know?
Really? ALL OVERRATED? That includes fans you seem to push specs on and recommend. Even if the "specs" are exaggerated, that 140mm Silverstone fan is a high performance fan with high static pressure and works fantastic. Id take it over some of the 120's your recommending. For $15 bucks a pop those Silverstone 140's are great performance fans and a great bang for the buck too.

You don't need to spend $25-50 on a noisy high rpm San Ace or Delta fan,to get a good performing fan, that is hogwash.

A couple good companies that make great performance fans(high cfm/high static pressure with moderate/reasonable rpms) includes Silverstone, Akasa, so does Corsair(SP series)in which you don't need to break the bank on, or have excessive noise either.
Edited by ZippyPinhead - 12/16/13 at 5:09am
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Really? ALL OVERRATED? That includes fans you seem to push specs on and recommend. Even if the "specs" are exaggerated, that 140mm Silverstone fan is a high performance fan with high static pressure and works fantastic. Id take it over some of the 120's your recommending. For $15 bucks a pop those Silverstone 140's are great performance fans and a great bang for the buck too.

You don't need to spend $25-50 on a noisy high rpm San Ace or Delta fan,to get a good performing fan, that is hogwash.

A couple good companies that make great performance fans(high cfm/high static pressure with moderate/reasonable rpms) includes Silverstone, Akasa, so does Corsair(SP series)in which you don't need to break the bank on, or have excessive noise either.
Let me tell you this, it's been well-known to fan experts that industrial fans most likely EXCEED rated specs
Besides, NOT ALL 120mm deltas and san aces are noisy. Seriously. They perform better than every single fan out there, INCLUDING 140MM NON-INDUSTRIAL FANS.
And i have owned a FHP141 ... Quite disappointed with it, deepcool UF140 performs better noise to performance ratio with a heatsink
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Let me tell you this, it's been well-known to fan experts that industrial fans most likely EXCEED rated specs
Besides, NOT ALL 120mm deltas and san aces are noisy. Seriously. They perform better than every single fan out there, INCLUDING 140MM NON-INDUSTRIAL FANS.
And i have owned a FHP141 ... Quite disappointed with it, deepcool UF140 performs better noise to performance ratio with a heatsink
I am very familiar with Delta and San Ace fans........in fact years ago I used to install them on server arrays. Its a high performance fan......no question about it. But to get good static pressure and air flow you don't need them in a home user case.

And if your saying that a UF140 performs better than an FHP141, I highly question if you ever owned one. The UF140 is a low rpm fan with very low pressure. The FHP though pushes a good amount of air with good static pressure at a reasonable 2k. Its a great fan actually. I know firsthand, especialy when someone spends the time to shroud and seal the fan well.
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You both have valid points.

There are many good 140mm fans out there. Most of us don't need the kind of performance Delta or San Ace have. Even on radiators.

Dave is correct. Delta and San Ace specs are accurate and most consumer fan specs are overrated.

TY-140 series fans have no static pressure spec but do perform very well.

Here are links to French fan reviews where their graph is interactive. Click on fan in list for graph to show. Click again to remove it from graph. Move cursor onto graph to see fan stats.
140mm fans
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/886-26/recapitulatif-db-a-vs-cfm.html
120mm fans
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/874-35/recapitulatif-db-a-vs-cfm.html
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You both have valid points.

There are many good 140mm fans out there. Most of us don't need the kind of performance Delta or San Ace have. Even on radiators.

Dave is correct. Delta and San Ace specs are accurate and most consumer fan specs are overrated.

TY-140 series fans have no static pressure spec but do perform very well.

Here are links to French fan reviews where their graph is interactive. Click on fan in list for graph to show. Click again to remove it from graph. Move cursor onto graph to see fan stats.
140mm fans
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/886-26/recapitulatif-db-a-vs-cfm.html
120mm fans
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/874-35/recapitulatif-db-a-vs-cfm.html

Im not doubting the performance of Delta or San Ace, Ive dealt with these fans for years. They are great COMMERCIAL/INDUSTRIAL fans. Nor do I doubt their specs.........nor do I doubt that some consumer fan specs are exaggerated as well.

The problem is, those high powered Delta/San fans really have no purpose or a solid niche, especially at their price point. They are loud, due to getting their static performance from high rpms(And that's how you get good static pressure.....through high rpms in reality). I mean, that's the deal with them. Of course they are going to have really good cfm/static pressure when they spin 3-5k and more. What fan wouldn't in reality? It would have to have a really soft blade and a terrible design......its actually pretty hard to screw up in this regard. The problem with them is multifold:

A. They are relatively expensive.

B. They are loud

C. They don't add any real world cooling performance over a lot of the slower spinning consumer fans where its worthwhile in the grand scheme of things...........if your worried about every last temp degree, your not going to be air cooling with loud expensive fans. Your better off spending that same money for a water cooled setup.

I mean, I don't want to hear my case whine away while Im gaming, or doing benchmarks, or watching porn even.........I want the box to remain realitvely quiet overall.

What I would use them for though is in a nice custom push/pull config on a large radiator array. THis is where they can come in handy. THe high static pressure would I bet add some ability to extract heat faster from radiators. I just wouldn't be doing an array of them unless I had the room to build a sound reduction manifold........and that requires a good bit of room to do. thumb.gif

There are excellent 80/92/120/140/180mm consumer fans out on the market with good static pressure(whether they truly meet specs or not) at a much lower rpm rating that do a fantastic job........only rare cases where I can see using a high rpm fan like what Delta offers(small positive pressure itx case with limited room/mounts for fans with good sound deadening maybe as an example)........overall though.......they were designed with specific purpose and environments which in reality just don't fit into what this website's members do overall.
Edited by ZippyPinhead - 12/16/13 at 7:42am
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Want to know a fan that does a better job than almost every other fan out there? IF you're ignoring that line then you have been not looking
Delta AFB series and San Ace 9S series
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