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Hence why i previously asked and wondered why no manufacturer has taken this issue into consideration and made a proper 200/180mm fan..something with decent volt regulation capabilities support..high rpms like 1-2500rpm so it can output more airflo
A 200mm fan at 2500rpm ... is seriously loud. A 180mm square fan probably fits in the mounts intended for a 200mm round fan ... But it's subjective and that's what I'd try instead actually.

Of course there won't be proper 200mm fans because no real research went into them to make a decent 200mm fan that has good static pressure because a proper 200mm fan design needs to be 50-70mm thick and that obviously won't fit in a PC case and there won't be any servers using them obviously.
The only decent 200mm round fan out there is of course the phanteks, high speed would be nice but round fans have a lack of rigidity making high speed operation impossible.

Even workstations hardly use 140mm fans so there.

i think the rigidness problem had been solved by scythe but i can't say they had made a 200mm with that design.
then theres noiseblocker's NB-eLoop, which is quite an amusing blade design.
the trick was adding a ring on the edge to support the blades.



Noiseblocker_NB-eLoop_120.jpg
Edited by epic1337 - 2/14/15 at 4:35am
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How good are those eloops..they do look sexy as hell often..

200mm fan rigidness..all they need to do is increase the thickness by 1-5mm overall..on the frame and add more support arms..like 10? Which can serve a double duty to direct airflo and counteract noise/turbilence...
It is a pitty that most 200mm are weak in the knees..but they do work well in certain scenarios..atleast the few ive done have..top exhaust..side intake....
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i think the rigidness problem had been solved by scythe but i can't say they had made a 200mm with that design.
then theres noiseblocker's NB-eLoop, which is quite an amusing blade design.
the trick was adding a ring on the edge to support the blades.



The AFB1212GHE spins at a max of 5200rpm tongue.gif Granted it's a 120x38 but ...
This one spins at 4100rpm as well though not quite 5400rpm
http://products.sanyodenki.com/en/contents/hp0070/list.php?CNo=70&ProCon=1264

At "noiseblocker" speeds the 120x25 deltas are very stable.
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How good are those eloops..they do look sexy as hell often..

200mm fan rigidness..all they need to do is increase the thickness by 1-5mm overall..on the frame and add more support arms..like 10? Which can serve a double duty to direct airflo and counteract noise/turbilence...
It is a pitty that most 200mm are weak in the knees..but they do work well in certain scenarios..atleast the few ive done have..top exhaust..side intake....
You need at least a 40mm width on 200mm ROUND fans. If they are square it's a different story.
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Cool beans dave..but..are the noiseblockers good fans? They very popular often..
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My Phanteks 200mm intake does in fact pull in a nice amount of air, it may not push it very hard but it does bring it in rather well. Rapid dust collection on my front grill is a testimony of this. biggrin.gif
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Cool beans dave..but..are the noiseblockers good fans? They very popular often..
They are but everyone is too stuck up on CFM and that "low-noise" automatically means better
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I dehorned meself and got the Aerocool DS fans. They are very quiet at 100% speed but don't move much air. Methinks the Arctic F12 is better.
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I can vouch for arctic fans..ive had a few in the past in their 92mm variety..even full rpm..tons of airflo and doa quiet..

Dave..i hear ya..to me silence is a bonus..but i prefer decent temps over silence any day or time..im not into fancy gimmicks or high end reviews..only a select few i trust..i prefer testing it myself if i can

DS fan- can you repeat that?
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I can vouch for arctic fans..ive had a few in the past in their 92mm variety..even full rpm..tons of airflo and doa quiet..

Dave..i hear ya..to me silence is a bonus..but i prefer decent temps over silence any day or time..im not into fancy gimmicks or high end reviews..only a select few i trust..i prefer testing it myself if i can

DS fan- can you repeat that?

I've had a few arctic cooling fans from a case that I bought from another guy. They are quite quiet with blades that can take a beating. But boy, those blades can help a little more allignment. At their speed, they are vibrating wild. Same goes for those Lian li's.

I have 4 1200 RPM NB E-loops. They are quieter when compared to 1200 Cougar FDBs (that are already silent). But I'd pick the Cougars over them all day. E-loops push miniscule air in comparison and are notorious for scraping their blades off a rad or case when not properly alligned to avoid those end rings. Like those reports on them noisy when mounted horizontally on pull config.
Edited by mus1mus - 2/15/15 at 2:14pm
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My F12s did not vibrate on me. What I heard was a whooshing sound from air getting pulled through the filters. I tested the air flow by taking a big heavy duty paper towel and folding it in half. It stuck solidly to the front of my case. These dead silence fans can just barely hold up one small paper towel. Two drop off.



I no longer have a full set of the F12s as I put some in another rig. I recently saw a chart that shows the Bitfinex fans being maybe a little bit better.
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