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Hello everyone. This is my first post here.

I want to build a new PC but I thought I'd ask you guys, the experts, just before pulling the trigger.

So I was going to stick with the Intel i7 3770k, but people told me to wait for Haswell because it's out soon. So I've been waiting for the past 3 weeks, but apparently not only the socket is going to change, but also new PSUs are needed ?

My main two questions are


a) How long will I have to wait after Haswell's released before buying? (Are the reviews of vital importance? Will the first chips still have that USB problem?)

b) Will the price of the 4770k be that high at release - and for how long? What about the motherboards? This concerns me a lot because I am willing to spend, but I don't want to over to spend too much.


In the end I'm still not 100% about taking Haswell. If the prices are too high at release - I'll go with the 3770k. Can't be bothered to wait another 2 months.. I'm itching for a new PC.
I need the PC not only for gaming, but I want it to be smooth as hell when editing and rendering videos in Vegas and Premiere. Photoshop is very important as well.

This is what the setup would be like. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated, cheers!

-Rich



Computer case: Sharkoon T9 Value Green - 59,05€ (---> Will probably opt for something more cooling-efficient)

Motherboard: ASRock Extreme6 – 149€

PSU: Corsair CX750 - 88,76€

GPU: Gigabyte NVIDIA GTX 670 OC Graphic card
PCI-e, 2GB, GDDR5, 2x DVI, HDMI, DP, Windforce 3X) - 369,00€

CPU: Intel i7 3770k - 312,75€

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master EVO 212 - 32,25€

RAM: Corsair Vengeance CL10 PC3-12800 - 116,90€
(1600MHz, 2x 8GB) DDR3-RAM Kit

HDD: Western Digital WD10EZRX Green 1TB
(8,9 cm (3,5 Inches), 5900rpm, 8,9ms, 64MB Cache) - 59,49€

DVD drive: Samsung SH-224BB/BEBE - 20,60€

SSD: Samsung 840 250GB - 145€

Card Reader: Ultron UCR internal 8,9 cm - 11,39€

Screen: Acer GD245HQABID - 309€

Total Price: 1654.84 Euros

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Hi and welcome to OCN! biggrin.gif

If you much needed a computer, choose the 3770k.

The 3770k still have a long life, the changes of haswell is practically only the consumption and oc in non-k models. according with the chinese reviews the increase of performance for gaming and computing generally isn't much.
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For haswell you don't need a haswell approved PSU if you don't plan using C6 and C7 states. Most performance minded users do not use C states, like me. In addition when haswell hits shops June 2 in states, GTX770 will go on sale which is a tweaked and faster version of 680 which will cost the same price as current 670. It should be in shops on May 30th.
So id wait to get most bang out of your buck.
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The answer to "A" is that it'll be a couple months after Haswell's release for the motherboards with fixed Z87/H87/B85 chipsets to be released to market, August being the likely timeframe.

Note that the 8-Series chipsets' flaw is relatively minor (USB 3.0 thumb drives losing sync after waking from S3 sleep), so it's shouldn't be a deal-breaker for most usage patterns.

As for PSU compatibility with Haswell's C6/C7 states, the CX750 was confirmed by Corsair to be compatible.
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Thanks for your replies guys.
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For haswell you don't need a haswell approved PSU if you don't plan using C6 and C7 states. Most performance minded users do not use C states, like me. In addition when haswell hits shops June 2 in states, GTX770 will go on sale which is a tweaked and faster version of 680 which will cost the same price as current 670. It should be in shops on May 30th.
So id wait to get most bang out of your buck.

So the 770 will go for the same price as the 670 right now? Hmm.. round my end it's available for about 359 euros. If that's true then I'll definitely get it but I bet it will be up for like 400 frown.gif
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The answer to "A" is that it'll be a couple months after Haswell's release for the motherboards with fixed Z87/H87/B85 chipsets to be released to market, August being the likely timeframe.

Note that the 8-Series chipsets' flaw is relatively minor (USB 3.0 thumb drives losing sync after waking from S3 sleep), so it's shouldn't be a deal-breaker for most usage patterns.

As for PSU compatibility with Haswell's C6/C7 states, the CX750 was confirmed by Corsair to be compatible.

Right, so I could go ahead and just buy Haswell + motherboard right at release? The USB issue is not that big.. ok.

Again - I wish there was more information on the price spike. If it's too high I guess I won't go with Haswell. (Unless you guys think otherwise?).

I would've thought that prices might drop right about now but quite the contrary! I saw the price of the 3770k rise by a few euros on amazon... Hmm it's a tough decision knowing what to buy at a release stage like this...

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Don't expect Ivy prices to fall when haswell hits shops. Intel rarely drops their prices even on old CPUs. Id just wait and add a tad of extra bucks to get most out in terms of new tech but its up to you.
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Don't expect Ivy prices to fall when haswell hits shops. Intel rarely drops their prices even on old CPUs. Id just wait and add a tad of extra bucks to get most out in terms of new tech but its up to you.

Ok, I understand. Well, can I at least count on reasonable prices for the 4770k, a compatible motherboard and the nVidia GTX 770?

The 3770k would cost me about 300 euros now. I'd hate to end up paying something like 390 euros for Haswell... :\

I also wanted to get the ASRock Z77 Extreme6 for 150. Can I count on a similar price for the Z87?

Thanks again,

-Rich
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Ok, I understand. Well, can I at least count on reasonable prices for the 4770k, a compatible motherboard and the nVidia GTX 770?

The 3770k would cost me about 300 euros now. I'd hate to end up paying something like 390 euros for Haswell... :\

I also wanted to get the ASRock Z77 Extreme6 for 150. Can I count on a similar price for the Z87?

Thanks again,

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Probably not, 4770K will be priced the same way as 3770K at launch. Motherboard wise, im sure prices wont change much.
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I'm betting that retail prices at launch will be slightly elevated due to pent-up demand and limited initial supply, but will quickly settle down to Ivy Bridge levels.
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