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post #71 of 311
@op I don't think anyone is knockin what your trying to, your heart is in the right place ... But do you have experience with every card you listed? I know I don't and I don't post info about cards I haven't used no matter how many reviews I read. You are false with the iceq ... Cause I can post screen shots if need be to verify my dispute. I think you should have mentioned gpgpu emphasis in you title since that seems to be your only concern. I'm a mechanic and gamer I don't care about folding or building a supercomputer with gpus. When I see something like this I want to gaming benchmarks and real opinions from someone who has actually used the card and not copying stuff from other web sites. I am not trying to sound rude either, I only stated at first that disagree. I didn't say "hey man that's bs and you a troll". You seem to be taken constructive criticism as personal assault.
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Nice to see some who care about correct info, and trying to lend a hand. But I,m sorry, you too hot headed, to quick to get upset,
and WAY too quick to think you know all about all 7950,s out there.I,m glad your trying and think your thoughts are in the right place but that's all.

I own 4 different 7950,s and have bought 19 others for other builds so far and I,m still figuring out whats what with them. There is no way anyone can say for %100
that I know all about all these cards, even with using a couple and reading on others plus there componants in a couple months. I know quite abit about these cards
Because I have done a few builds and used different modles, but no way would I say this is it and if you don't listen too bad for you.

I wont even comment on your info, lots is good and correct, but some is not even close, why has this thread been allowd to continue.

But one point you made is also my thoughts, yes this site is becoming more and more about B.S., instead of just good old info and help.
Most times people have to read through pages and pages of nothing but crap,to find one little bit of usefull info, and omg, someone ask a question and everything is stated excepted
answering the question for atleast a few pages. Ya I don't come here as much as befor. I miss the old OCN.
    
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^This is what I said. I gave you props for making a guide. I just think it wasnt done right, not just in regards to one or two of the models that you talked about either. I didnt sugarcoat anything I said, and neither have you. Youve called me a troll multiple times, a worthless poster, youve called my arguments "snarky", and still throughout all of this you have done very little to solidify the claims that you are making that go against basically all review sites findings. A week ago you were asking everyone what the best 7950 is now youre trying to tell everyone which one to buy? Come on dude.
post #74 of 311
I dont see why people are so hostile in this thread.

It seems mostly accurate, at least as of now [not sure how much has been corrected]

The only things I see wrong are:

Gigabyte WF3 having 3 fans does not mean it is going to be whiny. It has a nice cooler and 3 normal sized fans. The tone shouldnt be much worse than, say, the ASUS DC2.

And also, coil whine is not inherently part of high temps. Many times coil whine is totally unrelated - high FPS when launching a game, or just generally usage. Now, if your card starts whining when the temps get high, thats probably not good. But if its just in general, then its just annoying.

Otherwise the overview on the cards seems fair.
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Originally Posted by KaRLiToS View Post

Belial, like I said, I really appreciate your intentions.

But personnally, I wouldn't post a guide when I don't know what I am talking about.

This is a thread you started two weeks ago. http://www.overclock.net/t/1390291/which-7950-to-buy-dual-x-is-junk-gigabyte-vs-dual-x-vs-tf3/0_30

I wouldn't link anybody to this guide, especially with Geforce Cards in the op.



^^^^ This is NVDIA Geforce 7950GX2 cards , released in 2006. Not AMD HD 7950. Its stacked PCB, c'mon.

If you want to get technical, this isn't really a guide. This is just a list about all the 7950s... I invite people to constructively add to this database. The amount of criticism is a bit absurd for what is basically a big datasheet.
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Thank for this guide! I wonder, you said that 7950s (boost) run at 1,25V; but mine is at 0,993V in Afterburner.

It's an original MSi R7950 (bought in march 2012) : http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/HD_7950_Twin_Frozr_III/images/front.jpg (this one PCB)
Is there something wrong here as going to 1,25-1,3V is just too hot for my taste

Then it's not a boost card. or more specifically, boost refers to a BIOS, which is set at 925mhz@1.25v. I believe it has something to do with AMD trying to get all the companies to simply ship out the cards at a uniform 925mhz@1.25v, which is a significant increase in voltage for basically the same clocks. As you know, yea, 1.25v is way too hot for a 7950 to be running.
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But do you have experience with every card you listed? I know I don't and I don't post info about cards I haven't used no matter how many reviews I read. You are false with the iceq ... Cause I can post screen shots if need be to verify my dispute. I think you should have mentioned gpgpu emphasis in you title since that seems to be your only concern. I'm a mechanic and gamer I don't care about folding or building a supercomputer with gpus. When I see something like this I want to gaming benchmarks and real opinions from someone who has actually used the card and not copying stuff from other web sites. I am not trying to sound rude either, I only stated at first that disagree. I didn't say "hey man that's bs and you a troll". You seem to be taken constructive criticism as personal assault.

There is nothing 'false' with the iceq. Relative to the Twin Frozr, the Gigabyte, the Dual-X, Vapor-X, IceQx2, PCS+... it's a crap cooler. There's no way a single radial fan with half the CFM of any 80mm axial fan, is somehow going to beat the exact same size heatsink with 2 fans on it.

It's like saying somehow that a Hyper 212+ with a 120mm fan is somehow going to beat a hyper 212+ with 2x140mm fans on it. It's not going to happen....

There is no need to emphasis GPGPU usage in the title, all that is relevant to GPGPU usage, is relevant to gaming. Gamers may still very much care on which heatsink performs the best. Unfortunately, the problem is too many people seem to think gaming is any indication of max GPU temps or thinks it actually stresses their card, so they go around saying things like the IceQ is a good heatsink because it runs at 65*C during gaming!

If you dont care about folding or building a supercomputer, more power to you. You can read the guide, ignore the bits about the coolers and fans, and select a GPU based on that. based on your needs, a TF3 with it's improved build quality and memory voltage may be preferable, or a Gigabyte with it's hynix RAM, or hell even an XFX DD with it's low price. Or, maybe as a gamer, it's important that everything is extremely quiet in your rig, so maybe you want to opt for a Dual-X or IceQx2 or PCS+ over a Gigabyte or TF3 because the quieter for you during gaming, the better.
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Nice to see some who care about correct info, and trying to lend a hand. But I,m sorry, you too hot headed, to quick to get upset,
and WAY too quick to think you know all about all 7950,s out there.I,m glad your trying and think your thoughts are in the right place but that's all.

The problem is there appears to be a lot of Me vs You mentality going on here, and a lot of snarky comments. People clearly want to just shoot me down instead of actually build something here. As evidenced in many of the beginning posts in the guide, people posted corrections or additional info and I edited the guide. It was very simple. I've also had quite a few PMs. There is no need to say 'oh the whole guide is total misinformation' or 'you dont know what you are talking about shut up' just because one detail is wrong. That's the whole point of posting the guide, so that people may colloborate and this guide can be complete.

If it wasn't for me, this data wouldn't be up here, and plain and simple, people would keep buying the wrong 7950 for their usage. So suck it you losers (not you specifically).

Anytime someone posts a correction in here on my guide, I'm glad. I consider it a win. I welcome it. It's what I wanted. It's why I posted the guide, because I *didnt* know everything. I *want* to know everything. Unfortunately, there are way too many critical, do-nothing losers around here and this database would never have been compiled had someone not taken the initiative. I am taking that initiative.

Posting that cards use X ram, X PCB, and have X voltage controls, hardly is saying everything about a card......
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I dont see why people are so hostile in this thread.

It seems mostly accurate, at least as of now [not sure how much has been corrected]

The only things I see wrong are:

Gigabyte WF3 having 3 fans does not mean it is going to be whiny. It has a nice cooler and 3 normal sized fans. The tone shouldnt be much worse than, say, the ASUS DC2.

And also, coil whine is not inherently part of high temps. Many times coil whine is totally unrelated - high FPS when launching a game, or just generally usage. Now, if your card starts whining when the temps get high, thats probably not good. But if its just in general, then its just annoying.

Otherwise the overview on the cards seems fair.

Only one thing has been incorrect, and I'm not even sure it was incorrect. There have been many additions.

As for your input on the WF3... no, smaller fans are what makes it whiney. The TF3 and DD are also high pitched and 'whiney'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4EbwYga6loc#t=187s

You can also check this tomshardware noise comparison test. They don't run at 100% so it's not too great, but it gives a really good reflection of how fan size is a huge indicator of fan noise. All of the 90mm fans sound similiar, all the 75mm fans sound similar. They are all run at varying speeds so it's not an apples to apples comparison, but it gives a general picture. You can also youtube videos of the asus dc2 and other 7950 models... 75mm fans are a LOT louder:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7950-review-benchmark,3207-12.html

I've also seen a wf3 in person, it's much louder at max... It's like a 120mm fan vs an 80mm fan, the 80mm fan is just super high pitched and loud. Coin whine is not inherently part of high temps, but generally your VRM will be hotter than your chip when you really push your card, especially at high voltages, as that's where all of the power of the card is going through and efficiency starts to quickly degrade at higher temps, causing a snowball effect. Yes, there are plenty of times when coil whine just 'happens', that sucks, but what I'm referring to is coil whine as a result of high VRM temps, as that's the most common cause of it.
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What do you mean by that's what the 7950 used to look like?
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and i dont know why people are getting upset at the picture, that's what the 7950 used to look like. if you dont like the picture make your own damn guide. useless urchins, do nothing but bonk and complain when anyone tries to do anything useful, yet never has anything to do for themselves.

Seriously. A big frick you.

That is a pictures of the Nvidia 7950 GX2. This was a dual GPU 7900 series card, similar to the GTX590 and GTX690 in the 500 and 600 series.
http://www.cnet.com/graphics-cards/nvidia-geforce-7950-gx2/4505-8902_7-31901901.html

Your guide is about the AMD Radeon HD 7950.
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I didnt know that the AMD HD 7950 used to be a Nvidia card released in 2006.
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He's trying to help people..? Why are you people attacking him, saying he has no knowledge, when he's obviously 1, joked by putting the old nVidia cards as the title pic, and 2 done his research. He even created a dedicated thread basically asking why he's getting bashed by senior admins. Sometimes people confuse me to death, but Belial- I appreciated the guide, it helped me quite a bit to decide on a different GPU for a friends MATX build.

Thank you,
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I started off with sapphire card, it was a bad card or something because it ran 80+ under load and like 50 idle with massive coil whine. Switched to gigabyte and the cooler is fantastic. Never rattled and idling around 30 right now, 50-67 load ( overclock). Under water it is even better. Whines only at more than 200 frames.
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