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Hello from Ohio! My name is Bryan im new to ocn even though Ive been lurking around soaking up info for the last few months. Ive decided to take my old computer and use it to do my first build. I have been running into a few questions that is feel only expeirence can answer and that i dont have.

My original plan was to start with an OS and hard drive up grade then move onto RAM then CPU , while hopefully avoiding a motherboard upgrade. Now ive upgraded to windows 7 64 bit home edition and a much faster seagate hard drive Im noticing my plan maybe changing. My CPU seams to be struggling and Im not an over clocker yet( that will come later as i get more experience). I had planned on doing the cpu last now that Im having this issue Ive been thinking about update it first.


Im currently running this motherboard, yes i know its only an AM2 socket and its old. My question is Im running an amd athlon 64 x2 4200+ (2.2 ghz) i had originally plannned to spend
$150 and get an amd athlon 2 x2 6400+(3.2 ghz). But i was reading a few forums and people are saying i wont notice and performance gains but doing this upgrade. Do i spend the 150 roughly its gonna cost for the 6400+ or put that towards a new motherboard and cpu? will I really not see and noticeable performance from this?

please keep in mind this is my first build and im using this as my learning exp. not looking to build a huge gaming rig. The only PC games i ever play are older ones.

thanks for any info or opinions you can provide
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Hi there, and welcome to OCN.

The board you are using is quite old and in addition is very limited in its upgrade options. I don't think you will see much better performance by upgrading memory or CPU.

I would strongly recommend against spending any money on the processor you mentioned, as it is well out of date, and not that much better than what you already have. For $150 you might could get yourself a cheap mobo/cpu combo from newegg or the like, and you could save a little for some DDR3 ram, but please do not spend it on a socket AM2 proc.
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That seems to be the conclusion I'm coming to. Does anyone have suggestions on brands to stay away frm? I'm partial to biostars and asus. Does anyone make a mini atx that uses sata 3? All I seem to find are the 3.0gps
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Hi Bryan, welcome to OCN!!
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Welcome, and GO OHIO lol.


If you want to spend the least money and get the fastest gain:


FIRST. an SSD, will improve your noticeable speeds probably more than anything else, in most cases, followed by CPU.

in order for a better CPU you will need a mobo. am3+ is the best for amd,, and for ~300 bucks you can get the 8350/8120 and a decent mobo. or spend a tad less on the mobo, and or CPU with a 8120-8150

THEN ram, it would be good to get around 16GB or more if you can afford it but 8 is still pretty good., you can get 16GB of crucial ballstix sport for 100-130 bucks.

the SSD id say around 120+ for about 1dollar per gig, approx. (try to get one that is sata 6 and about 400+ mbps read/right or better)


Although i do NOT recommend it, i have HEARD (i could be waay wrong) but I think i read / heard somewhere that even amd am3/2/ what ever can use the new am3+ cpu's Albeit with the lesser memory speeds. (someone please verify that???)

(btw if buying a new mobo try to make sure its capable with ddr3 pc3-12800 or more.)

You would need a video card, if only wanting general performance boost. you can skimp here a bit. but if wanting to game you should get a 650/ 650ti or above, or perhaps a 560 or above. if you can afford it. if not a gtx450-460 can be had cheap and are probably better than even 640's and below.

do not forget the more GPU you use the more PSU you will need, for all I have mentioned you would be fine with any GOOD 600watt PSU, maybe getting buy with 500-550Watt depending on the GPU. if you do get a 750 or above that leaves decent room for a better video card in the future.

get a decent 1TB HD, and your good to go, stick it in a nice, but inexpensive case and their you go a WHOLE new computer.

I recommend Corsair for as much as you can, they have generally good products but an industry leading customer service / RMA program.


from newegg:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811233072
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130828
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171038
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236339
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233471
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103961
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131942

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231514 ram or : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104361

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986 (the os you will need at least a 64bit, to use over 4GB and if over 16GB you need a pro version for windows 7 at least.)

total around:

600-800 total, with plus or minus another 100-200 in either direction depending on what you actually do decide. in terms of brand etc. you can also shave a few off the PROC if you go with a six core. in either case you can have a great increase in performance for probably as little as 400 bucks, to 750. I would say for a decent game rig, with a little bit of updatability you should expect to spend at least 750-1000 for a pretty decent rig ( I spent a little over 4700 after all the peripherals, but the tower itself was just over $4,000 lol)

Hope this helps.


edit: subtract another 100 since you just got windows 7 home premium that will be good, up to 16GB of ram. (of course you will not be able to use it on the old computer lol. just the new one.)


or buy this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1307802

and get a 120GB ssd for about 140, and use the SSD for your OS drive, the other HD for regular storage, if anything the SSD will be the best upgrade you notice, as well as the CPU.
Edited by Fieldsweeper - 5/26/13 at 1:30am
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Hello all and hello Bryan. I am also a newbie from a couple of states over and running an old AM2 board. Maybe we can learn some of this stuff together. I noticed that my athlon 2 x2 4600+ was getting a lot warmer than it used to.. 55C idle and the cpu heatsink/fan that came with this thing was noisy as hell anyway. So, without much thinking, I decided to get a new cpu for this motherboard but only because it accepts some am3 socket cpu's, if you flash the bios (a new one for me, but at least it was successful). I have a GA-M57SLI-S4 (Not sure if that's how you do a link, like I said, a NOOB! smile.gif So anyway, I opted for an AMD Athlon II X3 450 (3.2 ghz). I figured, 1 more core and the possibility of unlocking the 4th, good enough for me. So, I got the new cpu and fan and watched some videos on youtube as I've never replaced a cpu before. Turns out I can't use the fan that came with the cpu because the square heatsink mounting bracket was not on my motherboard. The old noisy ass fan used a back plate on the other side of the motherboard (grrr). So I decided, this new fan looks cheap and it's probably noisy anyway lets get a new heatsink/fan... yay more research! So yesterday I ordered a Cool Master GeminII. I figured maybe I could push this cpu a little harder with a good fan and get some extra years out of this AM2, which is how I got here. So now, what should have been an easy cpu FAN swap has turned into a complete dis-assembly of my computer... Well, now that I've done a little more research and the motherboard (and everything else) is completely out of the case, I should have just purchased a new AM3+ mother board and cpu and ram... :|

But anyway, the main reason I made this post was because the mother board that Fieldsweeper suggested, (ASUS M5A78L-M/USB3 AM3+) has a PCI express 2.0 x16 instead of 3.0 and Sata 3Gb/s instead of 6Gb/s. I think I would go with something a little better than that. But the $150 you were planning on spending for just an AM2 cpu is going to be pushed pretty hard since you would need a new motherboard/cpu/ram.

Good luck in whatever you decide to do and I look forward to seeing your posts in the future. Unlike you, I'm kind of stuck with this AM2 board now, but I'm not a heavy gamer or anything like that either so, maybe just some light overclocking for me.

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fieldsweeper- i already have the HD covered i have a 1tb 7200 rpm seagate barracuda. from the reviews i read and my limited amount of knowledge this seamed to be a good drive for the money. I also have the psu covered with my 650 watt unit that originally came with my computer. I would like to stay with a mini atx board since money is a factor and like i said this is my first build and im doing it more for the experience the bigger builds will come later once i understand all of the little nuances that i dont get now.

monte71- ya i know the boat your stuck in. i cant afford to mod cars anymore so im moving on to computers and figured i would start with the one my dad built for me back in 06. its been very reliable and have never had any issues. good luck to you



thanks everyone for the info. I guess im just gonna start searching mobos and go from there.
Edited by BOOSTMYRAGE - 5/26/13 at 2:22pm
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Hello! Welcome to the Forums I just joined myself and I am actually located in Ohio as well! Seems like a great group of people here honestly my few questions I have posed have been met with tons of feedback about 99% of which is useful lol.

Where are you located in Ohio? If you have a microcenter anywhere near you I would jump online about once or twice a week (like I do) and check out their open box deals. If you just search through things you are looking at getting whether now or in a month or so sometimes you will find open box deals from someone who just bought the wrong thing or it didn't fit their case or whatever and it has a 15 day return policy.

http://microcenter.com/site/products/open-box.aspx
Edited by LlamaMaster - 5/26/13 at 4:31pm
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Llamamaster-I'm located in groveport. I've been checking the microcenter website off and on looking for deals. Some of the best prices I've found is outletpc.com. they had windows7 15 to 20 bucks less than anywhere else and my hd was 15 less than anywhere else too
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Welcome to OCN Bryan thumb.gif Enjoy your stay mate biggrin.gif
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