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Originally Posted by Otterclock View Post

$1k may be a bit exaggerated, heh. The base level Aurora is $1400, and I doubt it could be built for $400, considering its cpu costs $300 by itself. but they are certainly overpriced, no doubt.

I can accept that there are people who want to get into PC gaming but would rather have it put together for them for whatever reason, and are in a financial position that the price is of absolutely no concern. I mean, I may think pre-builts are a waste of money compared to DIY, but at least they're making the decision to go PC for gaming. I support that decision; how they get there is really none of my business.

Now, that aside, the biggest issue I have with some of these pre-builts is their choice of components. They often pick bizarre components, combining overpowered parts with underpowered ones, in a mix that could potentially be much less expensive. Why in the hell is the Alienware Aurora packing a Sandybridge-E series cpu, an 850w psu, and a GTX660 in one package? Who at Alienware thought socket 2011 was a good idea for that kind of product? Between that and the overpowered psu, that build could have $200 shaved off, or redirected to a better gpu. Alright I just lost the energy for this subject. time for breakfast.

Actually, here in Australia $1k isn't an exaggeration at all...

I'd dig up my findings, but I'm just about to head off to work. I'll see if I can do it when I get home.

@OP: What I'm getting out of this is you're not defending Alienwares prices, or their quality. You're defending your self and your decision for buying them.
Yes, people bash Alienware without even thinking. But why do you care? If you feel you have a good system for a good price, why does it affect you so much? Ignore it...

This just seems like you want to get on your soap box and let everyone know that your decision to buy Alienware is not stupid! And that you want people to leave you alone! HMMPPPFFF!
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post #42 of 59
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1600 is good enough. More is pointless.
Also on the topic of dell quality being hopeless my dad used to use Dell laptops pre-Y2K when he was working for Dell ... What sort of proc was available then i don't know but the keyboards had keys that frequently "jumped" out at you! And there was no way of putting it back
now being at Citi, they bought some Dell laptops and he had been hearing horror stories from his colleagues like being hot etc etc and poor build quality and that keyboard issue is still prevalent, only worse
Mind you, these weren't some cheap dell laptop THEY ARE XPS 17s!
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Originally Posted by FranBunnyFFXII View Post

First off you need to understand something. Everyone here does.

Alienware
is not
DELL
DELL is not
Alienware.

Alienware is an acquired subsidiary of the dell inc enterprise and uses its marketing class and stock functions, and coporate standings. however Alienware still operates under its own direction(such as their GM Frank Azor) and continues to supply its own market share and holds its own OEM status.
Alienware represents one of Dells major acquisitions but represents their own advancement into the industry as an innovator and player in the PC gaming market which Dell no longer caters too. Alienware is now Dell's outlet for PC gaming niche market products. Alienware has minor and major restrictions set by Dell but operates under its own pretenses and methods.
Alienware support is not dell support and dell support is not Alienware support. Alienware products are not branded with Dell, and dell products do not have associated products from Alienware.
Alienware has its own OEM production lines supplied by many foreign suppliers such as Foxconn and DELTA Electronics, but its main means of assembly production is here in the US of A. Some of the alienware products are made here in the North American regions, which is why they are so expensive to ship out of the domestic US of A, CA, and mexico.
Alienware is not dell. This is a mythos that needs to be squashed, because it is false and only creates problems with the alienware dell corporate relationship.


Yeah some of their original team is still with Alienware.
But the diffence is their methods now.
And no Their "RMA" process isn't any worse. Its a lot better now. These days they don't even really RMA things, they just send outright replacements and give you a lable+box to ship the old one back.

I rough handle my laptop pretty badly when I get pissed at games(im an emotional person) so I've ended up breaking a few hard drives because of the placement in their m14X.(never happened in my m11x)

So they sent me a 512GB SSD instead of a mechanical hard drive. free of charge(I've said this on the previous page)

first things that you need to understand is that OEMs have different policies over rebranders. Alienware isn't a rebrander anymore, they are an OEM. OriginPC is where their 2 defectors LOL! went. They recreated the original alienware idea, but they are much more expensive and are rebranding with off the shelf parts instead of building OEM products.

Alienware's OEM status has forced their production status into mass market but they've improved their bottom line and have acquired dell's shipping/service status and infield techs. but they still keep their assembly and support here in the USA.
There are 2 major manufacturing locations for Alienware in the US. Hawthrone California, and Ft Worth Texas. because each alienware is still made to order.

The alienware laptops before 2008 were rebrands. afterwards they've been using inhouse productions to fill the market niche and keep their boutique PC status, while still maintaining mass market supply.
Alienware actually sold out of M17X R4's last holiday season they were so popular.
The alienware products now are alienware OEM, even their Windows 7/Win 8 discs are OEM Alienware versions, not standard home premium/ultimate.

AS I said before... incase anyone else wasn't listening.
Alienware will nextday ship a replacement part, if you can replace it yourself or send a tech with in 2 or 3 days regaurdless of where you live in the US, they send a box and a return lable. its usually overnighted if you get the support callin done before 4PM, or nextday shipped after 4.
They've done this for me a few times since I've had frequent hard drive issues(my fault), and my m11X had an overheating problem(which I fixed with HWinfo). My personal run-in with alienware support have been excellent. to the point where I use their support status to gauge whether I should buy something or not. If alienware can nextday/overnight ship me a replacement part then every other mass market producer should be able to.
Alienware doesn't mind mods, or you rebuilding a system. They wont support 3rd party products and services but anything first party is covered.
They allow you to repaste your CPUs and GPUs, upgrade your own graphics cards and cpus, mod your desktops/laptops. Anything first party is covered by their warrenty. They keep tabs on the issues you have and if you have multiple issues they try to compensate by giving you upgrades and meaningful solutions(like the ssd for me and my durability issues), instead of making you pay for shipping and costs and all that crap.
post #43 of 59
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Initially, Dell maintained its competing XPS line of gaming PCs, often selling computers with the same specifications. The XPS line may have hurt Alienware's market share within its market segment. Due to corporate restructuring in the spring of 2008, the XPS brand was scaled down, and the Desktop line was eliminated leaving only the XPS Notebooks Product development of gaming PCs was consolidated with Dell's gaming division, with Alienware becoming Dell's premier gaming brand.

Alienware IS Dell, Dell owns them wholly and AW is their gaming line. This means Dell has all final say on parts, products, and designs. It's just like the relationship between a developer and a publisher, the devs can make whatever they want, but the publisher has the final say on anything and everything before approving it for release. Some take a laid back approach, some more strict, but to say AW isn't Dell is naive. Aside from that, both Dell and Alienware's prices are about to go up, and their support down unless you pay a premium. Dell just got bought out and is no longer going to be a publicly traded company, it's going all private which is nothing but bad for consumers. As a private company they can do whatever they wish with anything they own, which includes AW and any other subsidiaries. Does this mean AW is going away? probably not, but it's not going to get better.
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post #44 of 59
for a quality build, i would trust http://www.avadirect.com/

they actually use parts i would personally use.
post #45 of 59
Fran, I read your thread here as well as on Alienware Arena and it is pretty obvious you are very passionate about defending Alienware. All I got to say is- why do you feel you need to defend anything? Clearly there are people who like to bash a brand and those who like to support it and this will never change. When posting something like this, especially on a forum that this thread is not really a good match for, are you surprised at all the posts in here? FYI I have an M17xR4, I think their laptop range is decent if not necessarily the best bang for the buck but I would never buy any of Alienware's desktops.
post #46 of 59
Fran not sure what you expected out or this. You can't come to a site and try to convince people that a prebuilt machine is a good alternative to building it yourself. Especially a site that the majority build there own and help teach people how to.

I think the consensus here is a prebuilt is a waste of money. The money you waste on paying for the brand name or to have someone else put it together for you could get a better CPU,MB, GPU ect ect. In turn making the pc your going to build by hand a better performing machine and you can personalize it any way you want to make it your own.

With that said Because you brought up Alienware that's what being bashed in this thread. Don't take it the wrong way it's all prebuilt machine!!!!


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@ Fran

If you really have a problem with building it yourself and saving roughly $ 800-1000 you can always buy the parts ( say from newegg or Fry's, etc.,) and then take all the parts to your local PC shop and 'most' of the time they will build and test it for you for under $150. If you can't fingur out the parts to get there are a number of websites that will pretty much do it for you. Or you know you could do it yourself and learn about your system ( but if time is a factor then I understand). Those prices on the pre-builts that you listed are ridiculous.
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I wish I could get a gig assembling gaming PCs for $500+ a pop.
 
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post #49 of 59
I don't understand the OP. Seriously, what's the point of this? Let me say this in advance, there's nothing wrong with owning an Alienware. But you try to make the statement that Alienware is a cool company because they don't rip you off as hard as competitors do. Is that all you can say? Have you become so brainwashed that all the good you can say about something is that "it's not as bad as X"?

Let me repeat this, owning an Alienware is not a bad thing. However, it doesn't change the fact that they basically steal a great portion of your money, and they exchange it for a cool name: Alienwareeeehhhh. But again, I don't see the point in this thread. What did you expect from a forum specifically designed and built around the concept of building custom rigs? They were going to give you a shoulder to cry, a hot cup of tea and PM's saying "it's all gonna be ok, son"?
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post #50 of 59
So Alienware is cheaper than other prebuilts. Who cares? That's not the issue and it never was. Regardless of how the prebuilts compare to each other, they're still objectively bad purchases compared to building it yourself.
And then theres this victim complex tear-fest of a post... Its been a while since I've seen this much angst. There are people starving to death and you have the gall to write a diatribe like this about your bad consumer choices? (Click to show)
No, just someone whos sick and tired of being put through the ringer for owning a computer that was built here in the US, and has a really beautiful aesthetic design.
There's like only one case on the market right now that hits my fancy at all. And that's the NZXT phantom.
I used to be a builder when I was younger. My last build was a kentsfield cpu desktop with an intel core 2 quad Extreme(QX6850), 4gigs of DDR2, GT8500 512MB. I used to mess with, tinker, and breakdown and rebuilt computers.
You ask any one of my friends, they'll probably tell you im absolutely and utterly obsessed with computers and PC games. My life revolves around the PC gaming market. 60% of what I watch on youtube are unboxing videos, tech overviews and computer/gaming news.
But I'm all the sudden an idiot when I mention my computer is an Alienware.
I'm really sick of seeing people who use extreme bias, and harassment towards the brand because they don't understand the pricing scale of a prebuilt machine, they don't understand why Alienware offers the products they do, and they just bash away. "alienware? garbage"

No
Alienware isn't garbage. I've owned one of their desktops, 2 of their laptops and I have a 3rd laptop on the way that has more power than my previous desktops.

I can be the biggest most dedicated fan of PC games, and advocate for it left and right, but as soon as they look at my specs and see "Alienware" "lol screw her, she's an idiot"
Just because I own an alienware.
It happens, and it has happened for the past 3 and half years.
Sometimes I really regret buying an Alienware, muchless 4 of them, not because I received a bad product, no, they are great systems, I love them. But I regert it for the harassment and bigotry I've had to face from everyone except other alienware owners, for owning an alienware system.

I've been called ridiculous things, like "Not a real gamer" for owning one. and Yet I spend 10~16hours a day playing games like League of Legends, and more MMOs than most people can handle.
I get told I don't know anything about computers, but I used to work for Google, yeah GOOGLE. I worked with Google Search, and android app improvements. But no, I get made fun of and harassed because my work machine of choice is an Alienware.

If you were bashed left and right with extreme bias because of how you chose to spend your money, don't you think you'd do something to set the record straight? Or would you just take everyone's crap?
I'm sick of the Overclocking community harassing alienware owners, I'm sick of gamers spitting on alienware owners for their computer labels.
Its REALLY screwed up.

I can sit there and throw facts and data out till I've beat a dead horse to a bloody puddle, but yet everyone just says the same damn thing with no consideration to anyone elses feelings, the data at hand, nor the consideration of others whom might work and play in this industry.
I'm sick of seeing alienware post a facebook post and its a cocuphany of bashing and ignorant slander, but yet I look at the Origin or XoticPC pages, all respectful and nice.
I've tried for years now to get people to understand the basic ides and how their actions are harmful, but only been met with a figurative slap in the face.

I wouldn't be sitting here trying to make a difference if this attitude hasn't made me bitter and absolutely distraught trying to deal with the crap that everyone else in the gaming and Pc community has given me and every other alienware owner for owning something that has an alienware label.

I'm sick of it. im sick of being mistreated and invalidated, and I'm not the kind of person that's going to sit there and take the harassment.

Edited by aroc91 - 5/28/13 at 9:01pm
    
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