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Why would i want my computing done offsite, on a server with latency coming into play? Just another reason to own a gaming pc, and simply pointing out that Sony is actually doing something interesting doesn't make someone a fanboy.

They had AMD add 50% more shader cores to their apu, and their using gddr5 as unified system memory, i am really excited to see where the ps4 goes. The xbone on the other hand? i kind of already know how an 1.6ghz AMD 8core+7790 with a memory bottleneck (ddr3) will perform.

Skies could be rendered offsite, would probably look great as well. I'm sure over time they could figure it out so it works pretty well. Really it is nothing but a performance boost that you get for paying for xbox live I take it. Along with dedicated servers for all xbox live games. GCN 1.2 tech vs GCN 1.0 tech in the ps4 and a slower memory interface but does have 32MB of ESRAM what should atleast help in not being GDDR5 a little.

Who said with all this it could vary well make it pretty close to eachother, and could end up like the PS3 where if you take your time and program it right using the cloud to your advantage you can make some pretty good looking games.
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So many pessimistic views.

Try thinking of the benefits.

Nobody here can fathom trying something new

the problem is there are no real world benefits when you consider existing tech. and there are downsides, ie drm and paying for used games.

it's like a sim city situation (ms is the "ea" in this context). except there assertions are even more ridiculous due to the fact that lack of performance/hardware differences is what defines consoles. ms really thinks consumers are morons
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Skies could be rendered offsite, would probably look great as well. I'm sure over time they could figure it out so it works pretty well. Really it is nothing but a performance boost that you get for paying for xbox live I take it.

even if they managed to get this to work taking into consideration all the latency issues, does it really matter when:

1. gamemakers have to design for 1 set of hardware anyway and optimize for it and they have to consider the lowest common denominator in terms of latency
2. difference in latency would make it harder to optimize games
3. everything is capped at 30fps for every game anyway
4. you can't change graphical settings anyway

considering all this, it seems extremely unlikely this will provide any benefit. i'm not trying to argue whether that the ps3 or xbox will perform better, just that arguing that the cloud will somehow make a difference is laughable
Edited by perfectblade - 5/26/13 at 11:40am
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the problem is there are no real world benefits when you consider existing tech. and there are downsides, ie drm and paying for used games.

it's like a sim city situation (ms is the "ea" in this context). except there assertions are even more ridiculous due to the fact that lack of performance/hardware differences is what defines consoles. ms really thinks consumers are morons

Thats funny last time I checked Steam was DRM at the fullest, and you can't sell your used games at all.
If your going to get rid of the need for Discs then tell me what is a better way to avoid piracy? Though if there end up truly being a fee to sell used games then that is something I really wouldn't agree with, though I hear Sony might be giving the same rights to the publishers. Disc's are so 2000s, having a system at place that allows you to never need to a Disc would be perfect.
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Thats funny last time I checked Steam was DRM at the fullest, and you can't sell your used games at all.
If your going to get rid of the need for Discs then tell me what is a better way to avoid piracy? Though if there end up truly being a fee to sell used games then that is something I really wouldn't agree with, though I hear Sony might be giving the same rights to the publishers. Disc's are so 2000s, having a system at place that allows you to never need to a Disc would be perfect.

i don't disagree about steam, i just think that saying that ms is doing this for any reasons other than drm is silly. and the idea that this could provide a performance increase on a console considering current conditions is absurd.

at least ms could have respect for consumers, instead of creating bold-faced lies to soften the blow.
Edited by perfectblade - 5/26/13 at 12:01pm
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this makes no sense. internet speeds vary far too much for this to actually work-and that is what consoles are based upon: consistent hardware.

this is a joke and designed to convince consumers that they will benefit from content use restrictions that companies want from moving to a cloud based service.

Spot on.

The difference will be negligible. This is nothing more than an excuse.
    
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To this, Bradshaw adds the always-on connection is necessary because there's an enormous amount of cloud computing required to power this game, billed as the most advanced in SimCity's history. It's not something your individual PC will be able to handle on its own, not when the cloud servers are handling up to 100,000 Sims inside each city.

With the way that the game works, we offload a significant amount of the calculations to our servers so that the computations are off the local PCs and are moved into the cloud,"
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Judgement without any of implementation. SMH. Although it may suck for people with crappy connections, said connections are being improved on regularly. At least Microsoft is providing services back for potential DRM like implementation. This is very costly.
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Judgement without any of implementation. SMH. Although it may suck for people with crappy connections, said connections are being improved on regularly. At least Microsoft is providing services back for potential DRM like implementation. This is very costly.
Outside area internet goes trough the wire that has been in the ground for 40 years.
There is no one that would lay fiber to this remote part of town it isn't profitable and is not affordable for the locals.
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Outside area internet goes trough the wire that has been in the ground for 40 years.
There is no one that would lay fiber to this remote part of town it isn't profitable and is not affordable for the locals.

Well IDK about you but America is no longer in a recession and economy is back on track. I see Old things being replaced everyday, more so then I have seen in the past few years.
More and more people get great internet availability everyday and with more and more company's replacing old cable with fiber it will only get better. DSL is also prevalent as a backup using phone lines as well, or for those that don't like the cable price. Soon EU will also come out of that same recession and start spending that money on infrastructure.

This consoles will definitely be more tailored to the NA and other country's with more modern ISPs. Though over the coarse of time even your internet will become better.

Unless you live out in the country you should be fine on most places US and EU.

Network requirements are more tailored for the future no doubt, and that is probably why during the first year or two I doubt it will be used for anything but basic things.
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Well IDK about you but America is no longer in a recession and economy is back on track. I see Old things being replaced everyday, more so then I have seen in the past few years.
More and more people get great internet availability everyday and with more and more company's replacing old cable with fiber it will only get better. DSL is also prevalent as a backup using phone lines as well, or for those that don't like the cable price. Soon EU will also come out of that same recession and start spending that money on infrastructure.

This consoles will definitely be more tailored to the NA and other country's with more modern ISPs. Though over the coarse of time even your internet will become better.

Unless you live out in the country you should be fine on most places US and EU.

Network requirements are more tailored for the future no doubt, and that is probably why during the first year or two I doubt it will be used for anything but basic things.
Holland is quite rich actually right on top with Germany it is just that there is no ISP willing to make an investment they can't make back in 5/10 years although it will generate profit for the next 20 years.
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