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I agree with switching to the 780 instead of the titan. If your spending that much on GPUs alone theres not much reason to fret about 50-60 or so dollars with your power supply choice.. Just get what you want
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Hey All,

My name is Bill and I’m gearing up for my first “major” computer build in a while. First off, I just want to say this forum has been infinitely helpful in helping me learn the ins-and-outs of liquid cooling. Hopefully, I don’t show my ignorance by any of the questions of oversights in my setup. I was hoping I could get feedback on my setup and find out if there’s anything I’m missing/not taking into account.

Hardware Components:
Case: CoolerMaster HAF-932 Advanced HAF-942 X Blue Addition
Motherboard: ASUS Maximus V Extreme
Processor: Intel i7-3770K
GPU: GeForce GTX Titan GeForce GTX 780
SSD: Intel 520 Series 180 GB
HDD: Western Digital Velociraptor (1TB)
Memory: 16 GB (2x8 GB) Corsair Dominator Platinum G.Skill Trident X 2400 Mhz
Power Supply: Corsair AX1200i
Disc: ASUS Blu-ray Burner (BW-14D1XT)


Liquid Cooling Components:
Radiator: XSPC AX360 Radiator
Reservoir: XSPC Dual 5.25” Split Bay Reservoir
Thermal Compound: ARCTIC MX-4
Antimicrobial: 1 silver kill coil
CPU Block: XSPC Special Edition Copper Block
GPU Block: XSPC Razor GTX690 Block TBD
Pumps: Swiftech MCP655TM Laing D5 Vario Pump (2)
Pump Tops: XSPC Multiport Acetal (2)
Tubing: Koolance UV-reactive 1/2” inner diameter/ 5/8” outer diameter tubing
Fittings: Compression

Additional:
Logisys CLK12 12” Cold Cathode Dual Tube Kit
CoolerMaster SickleFlow 120mm (6, for push-pull configuration on the radiator)

First up, the MoBo, CPU, and GPU (and associated cooling components) are at this point place-holders until the new Intel Haswell chips come out (if they’re worth it to upgrade to).

My first round of questions are as follows:
1. Do I need to buy any type of anti-corrosive additive (I’m using water, no special coolants) to add to my loop, or will all my cooling components play well with one another
2. I’m a little unclear as to whether or not I need a speed controller. Can the temperature sensors on the motherboard regulate the pumps by themselves? Is it worth it to buy one?
3. Similarly, as my pumps are variable pumps, would I plug those into some of the fan headers on my motherboard? And if so, will I be able to control their speed using the motherboard’s fan management software?
4. I currently envision my setup to have 2 independent loops, one each for the GPU and CPU. Should there be anything in particular I need to worry about? I’ve got a split reservoir and 2 pumps, so I thought that should be plenty. My loop goes from the reservoir and into the radiator, and then splits to the independent blocks, and then merges.
5. Is it worth it to cool the chipset on my MoBo? I haven’t been able to find much about people who have liquid-cooled the chipset on my board, and I feel like it may be overkill. Anyone’s thoughts on this? Know of any companies that sell blocks for the chipset?

1. All the major manufacturers recommend some type of anti corrosive .. as a side benefit they usually have anti microbial propertys too and it removes the need for the silver coil that just adds another metal.
2/3. The D5 pumps cannot be speed controlled by the motherboard, they have a manual dial on them. They do usually have 3 pin fan plugs that you can connect to the motherboard but it is just for monitoring pump speed
4. What you describe is not two loops. It is a single loop with parallel flow to the water blocks. It is the worst of both worlds. Just put everything in normal serial flow one after the other.
Edited by Jakusonfire - 5/27/13 at 10:46am
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post #13 of 24
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Jakusonfire, Thanks for your input. Can you explain why my loop setup is the worst of both worlds. The idea was to have separate streams of cool water supplied to the blocks, as opposed to cooling down the GPU with warm water already passed over the CPU block. Is there something I'm missing?
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The fluid in your loop flows fast enough that it is the same temp throughout the entire loop, heat from the cpu will not be transferred to the gpu. It would have to have an extremely low flow rate for there to be significant heat differences.
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Since I'm eventually moving to a dual- or tri-GPU setup, would it be worth it to get 2 (120 mm) radiators and reservoirs, which would allow for 2 totally independent loops? 1 for the CPU and another for the GPU(s)?
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Thats something that has to be decided on from your own experience and preference for what you want your build to be.. Most people will run single loops because a dual loop is a lot more hassle for little to no performance gain most of the time
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I don't mind running a second loop, especially since I think that 2 GPUs (or more) and a CPU is definitely a bit much to run on one line. I'm just concerned about shrinking the radiator. If I'm running the CPU and GPU(s) on separate radiators, are 120mm radiators big enough to make sure everything stays cool? Also, do you think you could elaborate on why it would be the "worst of both worlds?" With separate pumps, the flow rates shouldn't be terrible, especially if I increase the diameter of the tubing for when the split loops are joined.
post #18 of 24
Its the worst in the sense that it if you used one pump each block would only get half the total flow rate, with two pumps the flow will be fine but at most you will change the temp of the water hitting the GPU by 1C ... while all the water in the system has warmed up by 7-10C (or even more with only a single radiator) ... and you have given up the redundancy that two pumps gives on serial loops.
It gets talked about a lot in threads here, It may seem logical that water changes temp significantly at the water blocks and is cooled back down by the radiator but that really isn't how it works.

This is water temps at different points in a real loop going from Idle to full load. The difference between each sensor changes very little but the overall temps increase.


Dual loops are a bit old fashioned ... with older and much higher restriction water blocks there were significant gains to be had ... modern water blocks, especially full cover GPU are mostly very high flow designs.
Edited by Jakusonfire - 5/27/13 at 3:27pm
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Well, that seems to make a bit more sense. If I can try and condense what you're saying, because the water will heat up anyway due to increased ambient temperature in the case and incomplete thermal transfer from the radiator, the multiple loops don't make a lot of sense? Is that right? If I went with a dedicated 120mm radiator for each loop, do you think I'd see better cooling than with both blocks in serial? Also, would you still suggest using serial with multiple GPUs? Not sure if you looked at my earlier posts to Namkab, but ideally, I'm going to throw a couple GPUs in there. While separate loops (totally separate, using separate radiators, reservoirs, tubing, and pumps) may be overkill for CPU and a single GPU, would they be a better idea for multi-GPU setups? I'd think so, but then again, that's why I ask, because you guys have certainly read up on things even more than me.
post #20 of 24
You wont even come anywhere near pushing a single loop to its limit with even with tri-sli and a cpu. Ive see people run four 480s rads in a single loop even though i would think its impossible to have a single pc generate enough heat to saturate four 480s. Geo metros have less radiator then that. What im trying to get across is that a single loop with the right radiator config can cool any kind of hardware you throw at it as well as your ambient temps will allow.
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