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Originally Posted by lacrossewacker View Post

What is a USED game? Does the story line deteriorate after a play through? Do the visuals fade? Does the person playing the USED game get a second hand feeling game experience?

NO

So is it right that the developers don't get a single cent from that person playing the used copy? NOPE

Go ahead and act righteous and burn people that pirate games, preaching "support the developers!"...then go to gamestop and pick up a discounted used game that does nothing to benefit the developers.

I'm under the assumption that you've never bought anything second-hand? Second-hand pricing isn't just about how well something works or degradation. If you buy a new car and drive it off the lot, it instantly loses a significant portion of its value, whether or not you put a ton of miles on it or if you keep it in your garage and never drive it, whether you maintain it like it's a member of your family or you let it rust and miss oil changes. New/used doesn't necessarily have anything to do with condition. Appearance can determine price just as much as functionality. That's why stores sometimes discount damaged goods, even if the damage is just superficial. The price reduction in the case of video games is a result of waiting longer to play it rather than quality.

Do you advocate that original retailers and manufacturers get a cut of used sales for ALL goods or just video games?
    
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I suppose there will still be a lot of people who would buy this console regardless of the new restrictions concerning game sharing. Until we see if Microsoft loses financially from this decision, I am not sure if the average consumer would care enough about it. Perhaps if there is enough consumer outrage and complaints, this policy may backfire.

My hunch is that people may just play along with the new policies just to get a new game console/entertainment device.

The average consumer probably won't even know this exists. It's not going to be an advertised feature. People are going to blindly just buy this thing because they want their call of nooby.

I'd imagine something along the lines of "well, used games are so expensive anyways, this is dumb, lol, im gonna just buy new neways swag yolo~~~" and that'd be the end of the complaining. My point is that only people who research things on the internet are going to be aware of this, and most people don't research things on the internet. The average consumer is just going to buy an Xbone and then move on, and view this as a little inconvenience.
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You guys know how economics works right?

Company A sells item A for $10 to 1000 people. They make $10000.

The next year company A decides to see if they can make more money, so they sell Item A for $15, but this time only 800 people buy item A. They make $12000 this time.

This is how ALL companies decide what to sell for how much. There is a fine line between how much you can charge people before you start losing money, but once you find the sweet spot you are golden. It's called maximizing profits and this used game stunt is just a test. Hell, if only 1000 people buy the used games that will be a profit.

Personally I won't buy it, because I have an xbox 360, and it doesn't really seem too different (nor can it be, unless they plan on deactivating xbox 360s and kicking them off live)
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I buy as much second hand as possible. It's just smarter, 9/10th of the time.
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80% I bet you will own one!

Maybe he will, but I won't.

Last console I purchased was an Atari Jaguar...and that was after the third or fourth price drop; doesn't take much for me to rule out a purchase.

I'm not opposed to buying another console, but it's going to have to offer something that doesn't try to piss me off.
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What you people don't understand is this isn't for Microsoft, at least not in it's entirety. This is to help developers. The ones that make the games you all know and love because it's getting more and more expensive to please you all. I don't like it that much either but if it has to be done then it has to be done.

I would rather each and everyone of these developers keel over and die than pay them twice the same original sale/license.
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If consoles move to the Steam business model, it's better for all of us.

All these used games are doing nothing to fund the next series of great games.

I could not possible disagree more with this.
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I have a feeling that if this doesn't work, free2play games will become bigger and bigger until the gaming landscape we have today doesn't exist.

The gaming landscape today is crap and the sooner it collapses the sooner something better can rise from the ashes.
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Originally Posted by ILoveHighDPI View Post

pre-order games

Most games are not very good; why anyone would bet against the house that they will be is nuts, IMO.
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vote with your wallet

Words to live by.
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you're right. Next time I have my guys over, I'll make sure I have 4 mice and 4 keyboards for us and play the 2 games that support split screen rolleyes.gif

Um we just use Wireless Xbox 360 control pads, but sure you could use mouse and keyboards if you wanted, PC is good like that, less restrictions tongue.gif

Check out the Steam box / HTPC rig in my sig, use it in lounge on 46" screen, better than any console, period. The best part is I can upgrade it as well..
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I simply dont care any news about XboxOne anymore. It's a dead console. Couple of new exclusives (MOAR Gears of War, MOAR Halo, MOAR Forza) wont change this fact after E3. I own a PC, can open every game at high/highest settings, also own PS3 (I also have X360 BTW, never opened it since 2010), i'll definitely grab a PS4. That's my gaming setup. I just checked the thread to see the comments, that's all.

PS: Xbox one is not next-gen console, it's Wii with TV features, IMHO
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The fact of the matter is that if I'm going to resort to buying a used game...more often then not the game isn't worth buying new. I can't say this really affects me all that much, just makes me more picky
    
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That mean we gonna buy xbox 360 for 100€ ? biggrin.gif hope so
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Absolutely disgusting, $53 to pick up a used game? No thanks, I'll stick to cheap games on the PC.

That is the re-activation cost. Then you have to figure in making money back that Gamestop paid the person trading in (which will probably be only $1-2 now) and Gamestop's profit on that and you are looking at a minimum cost of $60 to buy used, probably needs to be higher than that to cover costs for the retailer store. Thus making the practice of used game selling completely dead as it is no longer profitable.


The worst part about this though is that if the idea succeeds and Microsoft has a popular console the next step is definitely going to be not allowing co-op play on the same console without an additional license to the other player's account, most likely the cost of the full game. Because it is the same exact mindset as with this used game controversy. Why should a friend be allowed to play the game for free when he should be charged to play the game?

This will lead to all sorts of bad things for the end user.
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Developers should not get get double the price for one game just because they deem it "used".
I'm not copying the disc and selling / giving that away.
There is only 1 physical usable disc.
I'm tired of companies thinking they can dictate what I do with stuff I purchase.
I purchased it. It is my property. If I want to resell it or give it away, that is my choice.

This among numerous other things has already made me decide to not buy X1.
I asked my brother if he would buy and he didn't even think... just a quick "HELL NO!"

Remember folks, I said nothing about buying a PS4 instead. (I need to wait until the reveal to decide that.)
Edited by kennyparker1337 - 5/27/13 at 4:16pm
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